Ian Butler

dhillon28 · 12-02-2013, 04:00 AM

I saw this guy against england in t20 today and was just awesome. Also saw him in 2009 against India and at times was unplayable there. He length is impeccable, with a nagging off stump line in the Mcgrath mould. I also heard before injuries that he was a very fast bowler (not that he needs the extra pace with such good lenght and seam movement). It is a real shame this guy could not overcome injuries otherwise couldd have been a major test prospect. I feel he is one of the major players of our time not to fulfill his potential- hopefully now he will enjoy a mid career resurgenece.

smalishah84 · 12-02-2013, 04:10 AM

I remember him being quite ordinary

dhillon28 · 12-02-2013, 05:30 AM

2nd Test: New Zealand v Pakistan at Wellington, Dec 26-30, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

6/46 vs Pak- showed glimpses of his potential, only played 8 test matches

Blain · 12-02-2013, 03:16 PM

He's solid, nice action etc, but really he is nothing too special. After demolishing his back he lost pace which would have made him deadly, but is still a solid 135k bowler.

Burgey · 12-02-2013, 05:10 PM

I'll get you, Butler!

sledger · 13-02-2013, 04:46 AM

Was a decent bat too iirc.

jcas0167 · 13-02-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blain

He's solid, nice action etc, but really he is nothing too special. After demolishing his back he lost pace which would have made him deadly, but is still a solid 135k bowler.

It's pretty good he's managed to get his pace back up to the mid to late 130's. I remember when he was making a comeback for ND very much as a batting allrounder. Apparently before the back injuries he was clocked at 150kph. NZ could have had quite a potent opening combination with Shane Bond the other opening bowler at the time.

Flem274* · 13-02-2013, 09:08 PM

When Ian Butler was young and in the Black Caps he wasn't very fast and he wasn't very good. He's a better bowler now than he ever was imo. I don't remember him clocking much higher than 145kph either, so his 150kph-ness may have been ocassional.

jcas0167 · 13-02-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

When Ian Butler was young and in the Black Caps he wasn't very fast and he wasn't very good. He's a better bowler now than he ever was imo. I don't remember him clocking much higher than 145kph either, so his 150kph-ness may have been ocassional.

Yeah, he pretty much started first class cricket and was straight into the Black Caps. I briefly saw him playing under 19's, but was overseas when he debuted and can't remember seeing him bowl on tv pre-injury.

Do you think he would be near test selection now? He wouldn't get past Boult, Bracewell or Southee, but maybe if they wanted to play 4 seamers?

Flem274* · 13-02-2013, 09:30 PM

Leading wicket taker iirc so he'll probably be talked about when they're picking reserves.

Kippax · 14-02-2013, 12:18 AM

If Butler did play, how would you order Dougeh, Southee and him in a batting order I wonder. That is probably his angle tbh, averaging 36 in an admittedly farcical lusty lower-order summer.

Kippax · 14-02-2013, 12:19 AM

Ian Butler, Plunket Shield 2012/13 - YouTube

thierry henry · 14-02-2013, 12:26 AM

I find it funny how media are running the "inspirational return from injury" story- that was the case when he made his way back into the team 4 years ago. Since then he hasn't been in the team because he just isn't very good. His injury troubles were all 2004-2008ish.

Also, they're pushing the "he used to be quick but has reinvented himself" angle. No. His run-up, action and speeds are all pretty much identical now to when he was first in the team. I don't recall him ever bowling above low 140s.

Kippax · 14-02-2013, 01:19 AM

Ian Butler, 2003 vs. 2013 - YouTube

Blain · 14-02-2013, 01:57 PM

I remember him hitting 151ks a long time ago. I remember because he was only the second NZer to be clocked over 150, with Bond. Then he broke down not long after.

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,856	I remember him being quite ordinary __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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Kippax State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The "New Zealand" of Youtube cricket channels Posts: 1,364	If Butler did play, how would you order Dougeh, Southee and him in a batting order I wonder. That is probably his angle tbh, averaging 36 in an admittedly farcical lusty lower-order summer. __________________ Check for video of any new Kiwi names on Plunket Promise. Or access the vault from here. Last edited by Kippax; 14-02-2013 at 12:19 AM.

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12-02-2013, 05:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
dhillon28 U19 12th Man Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: UK Posts: 271	2nd Test: New Zealand v Pakistan at Wellington, Dec 26-30, 2003 \| Cricket Scorecard \| ESPN Cricinfo 6/46 vs Pak- showed glimpses of his potential, only played 8 test matches

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Blain School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NZ Posts: 195	He's solid, nice action etc, but really he is nothing too special. After demolishing his back he lost pace which would have made him deadly, but is still a solid 135k bowler.

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sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,079	Was a decent bat too iirc.

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Flem274* Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jeets' sheets Posts: 23,360	Leading wicket taker iirc so he'll probably be talked about when they're picking reserves.

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Kippax State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The "New Zealand" of Youtube cricket channels Posts: 1,364	Ian Butler, Plunket Shield 2012/13 - YouTube

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thierry henry International Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 5,031	I find it funny how media are running the "inspirational return from injury" story- that was the case when he made his way back into the team 4 years ago. Since then he hasn't been in the team because he just isn't very good. His injury troubles were all 2004-2008ish. Also, they're pushing the "he used to be quick but has reinvented himself" angle. No. His run-up, action and speeds are all pretty much identical now to when he was first in the team. I don't recall him ever bowling above low 140s.

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Kippax State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The "New Zealand" of Youtube cricket channels Posts: 1,364	Ian Butler, 2003 vs. 2013 - YouTube

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Blain School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NZ Posts: 195	I remember him hitting 151ks a long time ago. I remember because he was only the second NZer to be clocked over 150, with Bond. Then he broke down not long after.

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