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    Tendulkar

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    (Like the thought of Barry Richards opening if only he played some ODIs.)
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    Tendulkar

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    Tempted to go for Bond here in place of McGrath. Difficult choice.

    And even if this makes me sound like a fanboy: People not voting for Tendulkar, really??
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Tendulkar

    Wasim
    McGrath

    Tempted to go for Bond here in place of McGrath. Difficult choice.

    And even if this makes me sound like a fanboy: People not voting for Tendulkar, really??
    He's overrated IMO.

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    Sachin Tendulkar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    He's overrated IMO.
    Average of 48 as an ODI opener....

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    Sachin Tendulkar

    Richard Hadlee
    Curtly Ambrose
    Love the bowling combo here. If you took McGrath as the third pacer, then we would have the ultimate battle of the corridor-masters.

    Honestly, I don't feel like leaving out Bond from the team. But who should he replace, Wasim or McGrath? Any advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Love the bowling combo here. If you took McGrath as the third pacer, then we would have the ultimate battle of the corridor-masters.
    As tempting as that may sound, I'll use Wasim as my third pacer. Hadlee and Ambrose will ruin batting lineups with the new ball, and Wasim will be my main weapon for reverse-swinging toe-crushers with the old ball. Off course, he'll be super-effective with conventional swing in his 4-over spell as first-change too.

    On the other hand, I don't have too much objection if one of Hadlee and Ambrose is replaced by McGrath for building pressure with the new ball.
    Last edited by weldone; 11-02-2013 at 11:22 PM.

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    There are some very interesting charts in the following article (2010);

    It Figures | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

    I think the most relevant chart is the one where the bowler's RpO/Economy Rate is <4.25 (But other people may have a different take to me). Note that the X-axis plots the Strike Rate and the Y-axis plots the RpO/Economy Rate

    The 'Top Performers/Defenders' (see upper half of the chart) were;

    01. Garner
    02. Hadlee
    03. Holding
    04. Ambrose
    05. Marshall
    06. Lillee
    07. Chatfield
    08. Pollock
    09. Kapil Dev
    10. Larsen
    11. Walsh
    12. McGrath
    13. Wasim
    14. Imran
    15. Murali

    The 'Top Performers' (see top right quadrant) were;

    01. Garner
    02. Hadlee
    03. Holding
    06. Lillee
    08. Pollock
    12. McGrath
    13. Wasim
    14. Imran
    15. Murali

    Based on that chart it would seem that the best opening pair would be Garner and Hadlee because they combine a low Strike Rate with a good Economy Rate.

    However, McGrath has the best Strike Rate out of all the 'Top Performers' (see upper half of the chart) and on that basis is still a good choice. He's just not quite as miserly as Garner, Hadlee, Holding, or even Lillee.

    Wasim V Hadlee V Garner is another matter and is a bit more problematic. It's nice to have the left-arm variation of Wasim, but Hadlee's and Garner's numbers are outstanding. Hadlee was the superior batsman too.

    Projecting ahead - I'm now thinking that following list of bowlers would be pretty satisfactory;

    07. Imran/Dev
    08. Hadlee
    09. Akram/Pollock
    10. McGrath/Garner
    11. Murali
    Last edited by watson; 12-02-2013 at 12:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Based on that chart it would seem that the best opening pair would be Garner and Hadlee because they combine a low Strike Rate with a good Economy Rate.

    However, McGrath has the best Strike Rate out of all the 'Top Performers' (see upper half of the chart) and on that basis is still a good choice. He's just not quite as miserly as Garner, Hadlee, Holding, or even Lillee.

    Wasim V Hadlee V Garner is another matter and is a bit more problematic. It's nice to have the left-arm variation of Wasim, but Hadlee's and Garner's numbers are outstanding. Hadlee was the superior batsman too.
    I think Garner is the only surefire lock-in for the bowling line-up. Out of the others, any two out of McGrath, Wasim, Donald, Pollock, Hadlee and Bond will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    I think Garner is the only surefire lock-in for the bowling line-up. Out of the others, any two out of McGrath, Wasim, Donald, Pollock, Hadlee and Bond will do.
    IMO the team probably needs Hadlee's batting skills at No.8, and possibly even Wasim's batting skills at No.9. It's nice to bat down to No.9 when playing ODIs.

    This leaves Garner and McGrath to battle out the No.10 spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    There are some very interesting charts in the following article (2010);

    It Figures | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

    I think the most relevant chart is the one where the bowler's RpO/Economy Rate is <4.25 (But other people may have a different take to me). Note that the X-axis plots the Strike Rate and the Y-axis plots the RpO/Economy Rate
    In some ways it's nice to have this analysis, but in other ways, the average is a composite of strike rate and economy rate anyway.

    It's also important to note that Bond's strike rate improved since that article to be better than Lee's.

    Of course, Bond wouldn't be used at the death, but he's pretty hard to overlook as a strike bowler considering his strike rate, average, and consistent performances against the best teams of his era.

    Garner, Wasim and Bond would be perfect for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    IMO the team probably needs Hadlee's batting skills at No.8, and possibly even Wasim's batting skills at No.9. It's nice to bat down to No.9 when playing ODIs.
    Since Gilchrist is opening, there's still an allrounder to pick who will likely be batting at 7. I doubt the batting is going to need much strengthening.

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    Sachin Tendulkar

    Wasim Akram
    Joel Garner
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Since Gilchrist is opening, there's still an allrounder to pick who will likely be batting at 7. I doubt the batting is going to need much strengthening.
    Any One Day side worth its salt bats down to at least No.8.

    At least that's the established convention as far as I can tell.

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