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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Kallis in hte 8th XI and Shaun Pollock not being considered good enough for the 9th XI. Meanwhile Rahul Dravid in the 6th XI, and Andrew Flintoff in the 9th XI. If he was a CW poster, he'd be on my ignore list.
    I think list was made some 6 years ago, if it was to be updated now he'd obviously readjust those positions accordingly to their achievements in the mean time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    With Regard to Taylor vs Greenidge. Taylor faced only Barnes, and while Greenidge didn't face His own bowling, he did have to play Imran, Hadlee, Lillee, Thompson, Snow, Botham, Dev, Wasim ect and his average only dipped because he like Viv played on too long past their primes. Greenidge was one of Benauds top 6 openers which to me is more befitting to my boyhood idol.
    Taylor also faced, and got out to;

    Grimmett
    Gregory
    Tate
    McDonald
    Voce
    Larwood
    Wall
    O'Reilly
    etc

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    [QUOTE=watson;3011990]Dev better than Miller? Probably not.

    But was Dev greater than Miller? Probably yes, for the simple reason that for several years Dev was Indian cricket. If Dev fired then India won, if he didn't then they lost or drew.

    In other words, he was the Indian equivalent of Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee, Murali, or (mid-80s) Allan Border.

    Incidently, I wonder how Miller would have gone if he didn't have Lindwall, Johnston, Morris or Hassett to prop him up, and therefore couldn't play his usual care-free style? Who knows, Miller may have buckled under pressure if he played in a mediocre side and had to shoulder responsibility for a change?[/QUOTE]

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    Wonder how many no. 3s would be more comfortable batting behind Trumper than Gavaskar?


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    [QUOTE=social;3012003]
    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Dev better than Miller? Probably not.

    But was Dev greater than Miller? Probably yes, for the simple reason that for several years Dev was Indian cricket. If Dev fired then India won, if he didn't then they lost or drew.

    In other words, he was the Indian equivalent of Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee, Murali, or (mid-80s) Allan Border.

    Incidently, I wonder how Miller would have gone if he didn't have Lindwall, Johnston, Morris or Hassett to prop him up, and therefore couldn't play his usual care-free style? Who knows, Miller may have buckled under pressure if he played in a mediocre side and had to shoulder responsibility for a change?[/QUOTE]

    “Pressure is a Messerschmitt up your arse, cricket is not.”
    Yes, I dare say that a Nazi fighter plane in the rectal passage would be a necessarily uncomfortable experience relative to cricket.

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    Not as easy as it looks, here is my stab at it:

    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Donald Bradman *
    Viv Richards ^
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Garfield Sobers ^
    Adam Gilchrist +
    Imran Khan
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne ^
    Glen Mcgrath

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    George Headley
    Brian Lara ^
    Greg Chappell *^
    Jacques Kallis ^
    Keith Miller
    Allan Knott +
    Curtly Ambrose
    Dennis Lillee
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Gordon Greenidge ^
    Arthur Morris
    Wally Hammond ^
    Graeme Pollock
    Ricky Ponting ^
    Frank Worrell *
    Les Ames +
    Richard Hadlee
    Michael Holding
    Fred Trueman
    Bill O’Reilly

    Barry Richards
    Bobby Simpson ^
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Everton Weekes ^
    Allan Border *
    Clyde Walcott +
    Ian Botham ^
    Ray Lindwall
    Jim Laker
    Joel Garner
    Sydney Barnes

    Victor Trumper
    Geoffrey Boycott
    Rahul Dravid ^
    Neil Harvey ^
    Javed Miandad * ^
    Aubrey Faulkner
    Mike Procter
    Alan Davidson
    Hedley Verity
    Jack Blackham +
    Allan Donald

    Graeme Gooch ^
    Matthew Hayden ^
    Rohan Kanhai ^
    Kevin Pietersen
    Steve Waugh *
    Andy Flower +
    Kapil Dev
    Wasim Akram
    Andy Roberts
    Dale Steyn
    Clarrie Grimmett

    Graeme Smith ^
    Vijay Merchant
    Ken Barrington
    Stan McCabe ^
    Clive Lloyd *^
    Charlie Macartney
    John Waite +
    Shaun Pollock
    Anil Kumble
    Harold Larwood
    Courtney Walsh

    Bruce Mitchell ^
    Virender Sehwag
    Denis Compton
    Inzamam Ul-Haq ^
    Dudley Nourse
    Tony Greig ^
    Farokh Engineer +
    Richie Benaud *
    Ian Bishop
    Waqar Younis
    John Snow

    Conrad Hunte
    Bill Ponsford
    Ian Chappell * ^
    Martin Crowe ^
    Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    Mushtaq Mohammad
    Ian Healy +
    Wes Hall
    Alec Bedser
    Colin Croft
    Subhash Gupte
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Greenidge and Morris above Barry Richards is plain wrong to me, surprising to see KP and Chanderpaul up there so highly too.
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    Loving your slip cordon idea though, have been using it myself. Great idea and massively agree with you on the subject, kyear.

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    Maybe we need to make these teams more uniform if we're going to do them like that - maybe we could think of a set way to pick a team?

    1. Select the best captain, providing they can hold their place in an ATG team

    Richie Benaud

    2. Select the two best new ball bowlers

    Alan Davidson
    Malcolm Marshall

    3. Select the best spinner

    Shane Warne

    4. Select the best wicketkeeper

    Bob Taylor

    5. Select the two best opening batsmen

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    6. Select the three best middle order batsmen available

    Don Bradman
    Garfield Sobers
    Sachin Tendulkar

    7. Select an X factor player to fill in the gap

    Keith Miller

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
    6. Garfield Sobers ^
    7. Richie Benaud* G
    8. Alan Davidson - 1
    9. Malcolm Marshall - 2
    10. Shane Warne ^
    11. Bob Taylor +

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    Kallis only making the 8th team with SRT making the first team is absolutely ridiculous.
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    Disclaimer: I am a biased South African. Anything I say is likely to have something in it that ultimately favours the Proteas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Maybe we need to make these teams more uniform if we're going to do them like that - maybe we could think of a set way to pick a team?

    1. Select the best captain, providing they can hold their place in an ATG team

    Richie Benaud

    2. Select the two best new ball bowlers

    Alan Davidson
    Malcolm Marshall

    3. Select the best spinner

    Shane Warne

    4. Select the best wicketkeeper

    Bob Taylor

    5. Select the two best opening batsmen

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    6. Select the three best middle order batsmen available

    Don Bradman
    Garfield Sobers
    Sachin Tendulkar

    7. Select an X factor player to fill in the gap

    Keith Miller

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
    6. Garfield Sobers ^
    7. Richie Benaud* G
    8. Alan Davidson - 1
    9. Malcolm Marshall - 2
    10. Shane Warne ^
    11. Bob Taylor +
    That's just ridiculous on so many levels.

    Firstly, expecting to be able to use one formula to make a "best ever XI" is never going to work. You can use basic guidelines, but you need to be flexible.

    Secondly, in an ATG team I highly disagree with captaincy being the first selection criteria. Especially when one is talking in an ATG context, where all of the players are elite players, I completely disagree that choosing the best captain is the most crucial selection choice. A good captain is crucial, but I'd easily take an elite batsman and a good captain over a good batsman and an elite captain, for example. Just in terms of overall performance of the side, the extra physical ability would easily trump the extra captaincy.

    I also disagree with Davidson being the second best quick of all time but that's another story altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrez View Post
    That's just ridiculous on so many levels.

    Firstly, expecting to be able to use one formula to make a "best ever XI" is never going to work. You can use basic guidelines, but you need to be flexible.

    Secondly, in an ATG team I highly disagree with captaincy being the first selection criteria. Especially when one is talking in an ATG context, where all of the players are elite players, I completely disagree that choosing the best captain is the most crucial selection choice. A good captain is crucial, but I'd easily take an elite batsman and a good captain over a good batsman and an elite captain, for example. Just in terms of overall performance of the side, the extra physical ability would easily trump the extra captaincy.

    I also disagree with Davidson being the second best quick of all time but that's another story altogether.
    Yeah of course, just bored and wanted to see what I could come up with on the spot - my methods for choosing ATG sides are completely different.

    Davidson-Procter-Marshall is my idea of a perfect attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Greenidge and Morris above Barry Richards is plain wrong to me, surprising to see KP and Chanderpaul up there so highly too.
    Have consistently said that talent wise Procter and Richards talent wise makes my first team over Imran and Hutton, but test career wise just wasn't able to prove it.

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    To me though a world XI should be about who you would pick should you have every player ever to play a test available for selection. Not "how much they proved themselves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Maybe we need to make these teams more uniform if we're going to do them like that - maybe we could think of a set way to pick a team?

    1. Select the best captain, providing they can hold their place in an ATG team

    Richie Benaud

    2. Select the two best new ball bowlers

    Alan Davidson
    Malcolm Marshall

    3. Select the best spinner

    Shane Warne

    4. Select the best wicketkeeper

    Bob Taylor

    5. Select the two best opening batsmen

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    6. Select the three best middle order batsmen available

    Don Bradman
    Garfield Sobers
    Sachin Tendulkar

    7. Select an X factor player to fill in the gap

    Keith Miller

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
    6. Garfield Sobers ^
    7. Richie Benaud* G
    8. Alan Davidson - 1
    9. Malcolm Marshall - 2
    10. Shane Warne ^
    11. Bob Taylor +
    Benaud himself said that Bradman was the best captain and had the best anlytical cricketing brain he has encountered, so Bradman is good enough for me as captain.
    Even if I could get past your obsession with Miller, why you would bat him over one of the greatest batsmen ever is beyound me, in that lineup I would even bat him at 4 (his best position, especially if he is not bowling that much) to separate the right handers.

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