Yes, nut younis is still better than the likes of salim malik and saeed anwar as a fielder. Pakistan's fielding has always been quite bad and taking younis as an example to prove that fielding standards have declined is ridiculous
I don't dispute it. I agree. The games standards have improved. I just think its irrelevant in comparing across eras. If you could transport a player from the modern era so that he was born to play in say the Golden age he would play to the prevailing, not modern standard. Despite the improved fielding stds (as an example) the best fielding I've seen has come from the Aussie and WI sides of the 70s and 80s. So while stds generally improve it doesn't negate the possibility that fielding in the past could be excellent. Besides some of the biggest scores ever recorded in the game have come in the last 10-15 yrs despite the improvement in fielding.
So they haven't improved then?
With pakistan it is difficult to saySo they haven't improved then?
Actually that is a good point. The reason 30s english bowlers average skewered towards high 20s is mostly due to Don. If you look at their records with australian counter parts in FC cricket (excluding intl) its pretty similar.
These are some very good points.
What are you, 8?
This is very useful information. Thank you for taking the trouble to get this analysis here. But shouldn't that extension from 1.5 to 8 be tempered by the fact that if not Bradman, there would have been some other, regular number 3 playing for Australia who too would have scored a fair number of runs, at an average of say 40-45. So, maybe the true number is between 4-5. Whatsay?
When Grace played. Was it very fast directed at his nose?
Up until the 1890s, by which time Grace was a veteran, the pitches were generally pretty diabolical, so bowlers didn't have to be too quick to be lethal
Nobody has ever said anything of the sort.
Good point. In fact I have done a dinky analysis factoring in a replacement player. However if such a man was able to average 40-45 he would have been a regular in the side for a start. That ave is pretty close to a Woodfull or a McCabe for example. In fact it would be lower than 34 which is what Kippax averaged and he was a regular too.
Well Ernie Jones did bowl one through his beard and apologised with Sorry Doc; she slipped - or so the story goes. I agree with Fred. Pitches were pretty bad and that is documented. No one would bowl short and give the batter an opportunity when they could achieve lift or mullies by pitching at a length.
One can't ask that question and not factor in that Bradman would also be privy to all the technological, scientific and tactical advancements that coincides with that change in amount of games played.
The way you frame it is disingenuous. Bradman played for 20 years. Whether he played 100 tests or less is a debatable factor in his success. Does one average more if he gets to take advantage of his good form more (playing more at your peak)? Or is it harder to keep consistency when games aren't as frequent and hence keeping form is an issue? The converse to those questions is also valid, which is what makes the above a debatable factor and not something to be stated as a matter of concluded fact.
50 % ??
Grace was a lot better. Hobbs and Alfred Mynn too. Your heroes are false idols and all pale in comparison to not only Bradman but scores of former players. I am glad you are finally starting to realise this, and I'm happy to answer any more questions you have about it.
grace , mynn , bradman and now this... hmm lillywhite ..Grace was a lot better. Hobbs and Alfred Mynn too. Your heroes are false idols and all pale in comparison to not only Bradman but scores of former players. I am glad you are finally starting to realise this, and I'm happy to answer any more questions you have about it.
Time to change your avatar I think; how about this one?
It's William Lillywhite; by gosh he was gun. So far ahead of his peers that he earned the nickname Nonpareil. Wasim Akram was closer to Suranga Lakmal in performance than he was to this round arm slow bowler.
