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Your biggest CW epiphany

harsh.ag

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Your most cherished CW epiphany

So, even though I am relatively quite new to the CW forum, I can claim to have had some minor epiphanies, i.e. both long-held-myths-busting and completely-refreshing-out-of-the-blue-insight moments. Ones that I cherish are of analysing Gavaskar's performances against the mighty WI pace battery, tales about Stan McCabe's brilliance, deconstructing Sydney Barnes' bowling style and temperament, discovering the brilliance of Monty Noble, Charlie Macartney and the like. There are quite a few more.

It would be great to hear from other forum members about their personal cherished epiphanies, and more :)
 
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Hurricane

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Not an epiphany but just a small realisation for me was that in a test team you just pick your four best bowlers in the country and if it is a close call between two bowlers for the 4th spot you still take the best bowler of the two even if the other is a better bat.

This logic was used time and again on CW to justify Patel's selection ahead of other spinners in the country who had similar FC bowling averages and were better bats. Eventually I came around.
 

Burgey

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My CW epiphany came on January 6 2008 when I was given cause to hate India more than England.
 

SJS

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Ones that I cherish are of analysing Gavaskar's performances against the mighty WI pace battery, tales about Stan McCabe's brilliance, deconstructing Sydney Barnes' bowling style and temperament, discovering the brilliance of Monty Noble, Charlie Macartney and the like.
A very interesting list indeed. I would be very keen to know what you thought on each of thse and what you realised when you saw the "other point of view"
 

Daemon

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When I realised PEWS was actually a dude. His old avatar had me fooled.
 
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harsh.ag

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A very interesting list indeed. I would be very keen to know what you thought on each of thse and what you realised when you saw the "other point of view"
With Sunny, I came to an understanding that although his record against the Windies attacks was very good in general, he tended to under-perform by quite a significant margin on his average when facing the full might of their greatest pace battery all at once, at their best. That obviously makes sense, because that's the way it happens for all batsmen, including the greatest ones (apart from Bradman, of course, despite Larwood and Bedser).

McCabe sounds like a combo of Laxman and Ponting. Not always consistent, but brilliantly special when you need him, and a fast, dominant scorer. Plus, his peak seems to have overshadowed the Don for a short while too.

With Barnes, I had thought that he must have been a medium pacer, who could cut the bull, somehow through the air. But now it seems that he was in the O'Reilly mold; slightly faster, with a bit more bite in the spin off the pitch and with slight swing through the air, plus a temperament of an opening bowler. The very high arm action was more reminiscent of a medium pacer as well as a curious disguise to deviate from the spitty spin he produced with the leather in his hand.

Noble and Macartney were fascinating simply because I hadn't an iota of knowledge about them before CW. Macartney's all-rounder peak, though extremely short, rivaled that of Sobers, Miller and Botham. Monty Noble I still need to know more about.

And SJS, since most of what I know about Barnes came from your *baap* links and descriptions, I hope I have been able to understand his bowling at least a bit.
 

Burgey

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Ponting averaged 70 over 50 tests and 60 over a hundred. It's a flash in the pan sure, but a fairly bright one
 

Satyanash89

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When i saw a post breaking down Murali's career into three phases and saw that in the middle phase he took 630 wickets in 90 matches @ 19. I was just dumbstruck.
 

SJS

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With Sunny, I came to an understanding that although his record against the Windies attacks was very good in general, he tended to under-perform by quite a significant margin on his average when facing the full might of their greatest pace battery all at once, at their best. That obviously makes sense, because that's the way it happens for all batsmen, including the greatest ones (apart from Bradman, of course, despite Larwood and Bedser).

McCabe sounds like a combo of Laxman and Ponting. Not always consistent, but brilliantly special when you need him, and a fast, dominant scorer. Plus, his peak seems to have overshadowed the Don for a short while too.

With Barnes, I had thought that he must have been a medium pacer, who could cut the bull, somehow through the air. But now it seems that he was in the O'Reilly mold; slightly faster, with a bit more bite in the spin off the pitch and with slight swing through the air, plus a temperament of an opening bowler. The very high arm action was more reminiscent of a medium pacer as well as a curious disguise to deviate from the spitty spin he produced with the leather in his hand.

Noble and Macartney were fascinating simply because I hadn't an iota of knowledge about them before CW. Macartney's all-rounder peak, though extremely short, rivaled that of Sobers, Miller and Botham. Monty Noble I still need to know more about.

And SJS, since most of what I know about Barnes came from your *baap* links and descriptions, I hope I have been able to understand his bowling at least a bit.
Thanks. That's what makes the effort worthwhile. :)

By the way, I remember that Gavaskar analysis very well. I got a lot of flak when I first suggested that Gavaskar"s record against the best pacers was not as great as people tend to believe and then I wrote that bit analyzing all his series starting from debut,

I must take this opportunity to stress that Gavaskar is an all time grew and a personal hero. He did more for bringing India to the next level on the world cricket stage than anyone else one can think of.
 

L Trumper

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Ponting averaged 70 over 50 tests and 60 over a hundred. It's a flash in the pan sure, but a fairly bright one
Yeah! But year wise he played for 17 years, in which he was one of the best for roughly 8 years in the middle, and either side of that he was merely good. Compare with some one like Chappell, who is pretty much the best batsman in his side through out his career, and have one or two lean series, but almost constantly delivered.
 

fredfertang

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Delighted to see that the constant championing of Stan McCabe by myself and others is having the desired effect :)
 

harsh.ag

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When i saw a post breaking down Murali's career into three phases and saw that in the middle phase he took 630 wickets in 90 matches @ 19. I was just dumbstruck.
Brilliant, right? As good as Bradman and Barnes' records, if not better :)
 

the big bambino

International Captain
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With Barnes, I had thought that he must have been a medium pacer, who could cut the bull, somehow through the air. But now it seems that he was in the O'Reilly mold; slightly faster, with a bit more bite in the spin off the pitch and with slight swing through the air, plus a temperament of an opening bowler. The very high arm action was more reminiscent of a medium pacer as well as a curious disguise to deviate from the spitty spin he produced with the leather in his hand.
Do you have multi epiphanies? :) Barnes was much swifter than O'Reilly and atleast medium pace in speed judging by the depth of his slips. As for Murali I think his achievements will always tainted by the controversies around him.
 
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watson

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Do you have multi epiphanies? :) Barnes was much swifter than O'Reilly and atleast medium pace in speed judging by the depth of his slips. As for Murali I think his achievements will always tainted by the controversies around him.
I'd like to see those black and white photos TBB. Are you able to scan then upload them?

(Unfortunatley I haven't been able to find a photo of SF Barnes bowling with his slips cordon in view, even after trawling the net and my books. The best I've come up with is a photo of Bardesley with his middle-stump leaning over after being bowled. The keeper was standing right over the stumps.)
 
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the big bambino

International Captain
Embarrasingly I'm a bit of a neanderthal when uploading photos Watson. Do you have Frith's pictorial book England v Australia? It has about 3 photos of O'Reilly with slips in view. However all are from the bowler's end and I'm suspicious this has the illusory effect on perspective of "compressing" his slips closer to the stumps. The same book has about 3 or 4 photos of Barnes' and its hard to gauge slip distance in them. However one is taken from the keeper's end and gives an idea of the depth of the slips. It is photo 362 at the top left of page 114. It is titled "Minnett cuts Barnes to the boundary"

If a slip stood that far back to a spinner you'd think he was placed there to stop a boundary! As a comparison and beneath the photo is another of Rhodes playing Minnett. Again the only slip looks a fair distance back but seemingly not as far as Barnes' . In his cricinfo profile Minnett is described as fast medium.

Edit: I'll ask my wife if she can upload the photo for me. I'll ask her if she can do a comparative of one showing Tiger.
 
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watson

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Embarrasingly I'm a bit of a neanderthal when uploading photos Watson. Do you have Frith's pictorial book England v Australia? It has about 3 photos of O'Reilly with slips in view. However all are from the bowler's end and I'm suspicious this has the illusory effect on perspective of "compressing" his slips closer to the stumps. The same book has about 3 or 4 photos of Barnes' and its hard to gauge slip distance in them. However one is taken from the keeper's end and gives an idea of the depth of the slips. It is photo 362 at the top left of page 114. It is titled "Minnett cuts Barnes to the boundary"

If a slip stood that far back to a spinner you'd think he was placed there to stop a boundary! As a comparison and beneath the photo is another of Rhodes playing Minnett. Again the only slip looks a fair distance back but seemingly not as far as Barnes' . In his cricinfo profile Minnett is described as fast medium.

Edit: I'll ask my wife if she can upload the photo for me. I'll ask her if she can do a comparative of one showing Tiger.
That would be nice. Perhaps put the photos in the SF Barnes thread?

Although I don't want to be responsible for creating any marital disharmony - "You on that stupid CW website again. Why don't you do something useful like vacuum the floor. And no I won't be doing any scanning. You can scan my arse..." That sort of thing.
 

fredfertang

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CW was cited in my divorce - tbf there was a time I'd have scanned the former Mrs Fertang's arse, but that rather slipped off the agenda as time passed
 

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