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    Cool. Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    CV 1st XI Player Register and Career Stats | Victorian Premier Cricket

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    Unless my tired eyes are missing something I can't see Manning Clark listed. Could he have bull ****ted his cricket career too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    . . . and the debate continues

    It is impossible to have a rational and scientific way to compare players playing in different eras. (I am talking here of great players in each era not comparing greats with non entities) Thus those who insist on taking extreme positions so-and-so IS the greatest and ridicule greats from another era do not present any great argument or logic or nuanced insight. Mostly they expose their own bias and mostly can be left to their own fantasies.

    Archie is absolutely right. Tendulkar would have been a great in any era as would Sobers, Richards, Bradman, Trumper, Grace etc. When we choose all time sides we would do well to put the rider that this is one's opinion and not gospel. I myself prefer to add, often, that on another day I would probably choose another side and be equally happy with it and defend each player in it with equal 'ferocity' and the same level of justification. Thats easy for they are greats and have so much in their careers to admire, talk of and use to show them as the greats they were/are.

    As I have mentioned often before, if stats were all we needed to decide the 'bestest' of all time, all we needed was to have a thread on the criteria, fix the criteria, feed it to a computer and do good to all the cricket tragics of the world with an all time ranking of all the thousands who have played the game and for the thousands who will come.

    Just one more point. When we run down players of a particular era with comments like "oh they bowled in era's of uncovered pitches which accounts for their bowling stats which need to be discounted" we might then make a note of it and the next time we are discussing batsmen, add points to the batsmen of the same era and inflate their batting averages for the same period as well. The same argument is true in reverse when people talk of perfect batting tracks helping to inflate batting averages of modern day cricketers.

    Lets not pamper our ego's to the extent of the ridiculous by running down the greats who have played the game, irrespective of era, for it does not enhance us as students of the game - it exposes the exact opposite about us.
    Well said SJS, I struggle with ever 'having a go' at someone who was good enought to play for their country. I would love to say I played Test cricket even if I was bowled for a king pair dropped three sitters and was taken off after one over with figures of 0-36.

    Happy for people to say that was a poor shot or he is bowling crap but come on, Bradman, Grace, Sobers Show some respect. You look like a tool when you write he would not last an over against such and such
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Unless my tired eyes are missing something I can't see Manning Clark listed. Could he have bull ****ted his cricket career too?
    When did he claim to have played? Do the records go back far enough?


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    Agree with AM. People make themselves look fools when denigrating champions. Also AM take a look at the link vic_orthodox provides. It shows grade averages in vic grade. It shows Nash's figures so they go back as far as the 30s atleast and I assume are extensive.

    Manning Clark claimed he played Fleetwood Smith and, from this thread, Nash too. Yet I couldn't find his stats. Either he's factualising a fiction or the records aren't extensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Agree with AM. People make themselves look fools when denigrating champions. Also AM take a look at the link vic_orthodox provides. It shows grade averages in vic grade. It shows Nash's figures so they go back as far as the 30s atleast and I assume are extensive.

    Manning Clark claimed he played Fleetwood Smith and, from this thread, Nash too. Yet I couldn't find his stats. Either he's factualising a fiction or the records aren't extensive.
    Had a look very interesting. MC is interesting as well. Not sure what is happening there

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