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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Doherty is a better pick than Maxwell surely?
    Well I think so, but that's not necessarily saying much. If we're stuck with that choice I'd go Doherty. It isn't like the two offies we have are Murali and Laker ffs.
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    Something that has escaped discussion so far because of all the random bits and pieces players and Doherty in the squad is the fact that, for a four Test series in India, we've only picked one wicket keeper, and he's terrible up to the stumps.

    I'd like to start with Wade in the first Test too, but I think it's way too risky to back him for the full four. If I was told I was only allowed to take one keeper I'd probably take Haddin.
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    Sanga has done well but Murali has done better. In my opinion, Murali is simply the best off spinner in history of cricket and I can't make that kind of statement for Sanga.
    Sanga isn't the best off spinner in the history of cricket? News to me.

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    The ultimate disaster is if Australia play Smith/Maxwell like they played White in 2008. Batting 8 or some ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I'd like to start with Wade in the first Test too, but I think it's way too risky to back him for the full four IMO. If I was told I was only allowed to take one keeper I'd probably take Haddin.

    never mind that haddin is a better reserve batsman option than smith and doolan and co anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    I don't think the situation where Doherty and Lyon plays is, sadly, that unlikely. I think it's something you had to consider when picking the squad.
    And that's why I hate Henriques being picked. It confirms those fears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    it's that. for whatever reason, they've totally gone off bailey (see: aus a game) so that's the obvious candidate out of the way, so doolan, smith etc. that smith hasn't gone through a massive form slump in the last 2 years and been dropped has undoubtedly helped him. but i think it's mainly playing spin bowling. i just don't see the reserve batsman playing unless we have major issues against spin bowling, so it makes sense to pick your reserve batsman - which is a pretty deadbeat group btw - based on playing spin bowling. smith being ahead of doolan based on playing spin isn't that weird is it
    I don't mind the Smith selection that much if it's just for batting. Not what I would've gone for, but understandable. I just don't reckon it is just for batting though.

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    Don't worry. Indian selectors are gonna outdo this easy.

    Fully expecting Raina to return along with Harbhajan and maybe even Sreesanth and a half fit Zaheer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    And that's why I hate Henriques being picked. It confirms those fears.
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    FMD, what if Smith gets picked to bat at six and prospers against India? It's a nightmare to contemplate him batting at six in England.

    Khawaja is surely ahead of him.

    D00lan?
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    I don't understand the logic behind taking Smith and Maxwell, unless one or both of them are just there for developmental purposes and not in with a serious shot of playing.

    Doherty over O'Keefe is even more bizarre than it was in 2010, O'Keefe isn't going to be a world-beater but he'd do a solid containment job, nag out a few wickets and add value with bat and in the field. Which is more than Doherty's capable of at Shield level let alone in tests.

    Usman is a fair enough pick given that he's been next-in-line all summer, but I don't know how suitable he is given that it's India and the only likely vacancy is at 6. The idea of him coming in at 4-80 with spin from both ends won't fill anyone with confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamdavid View Post
    I don't understand the logic behind taking Smith and Maxwell, unless one or both of them are just there for developmental purposes and not in with a serious shot of playing.

    Doherty over O'Keefe is even more bizarre than it was in 2010, O'Keefe isn't going to be a world-beater but he'd do a solid containment job, nag out a few wickets and add value with bat and in the field. Which is more than Doherty's capable of at Shield level let alone in tests.

    Usman is a fair enough pick given that he's been next-in-line all summer, but I don't know how suitable he is given that it's India and the only likely vacancy is at 6. The idea of him coming in at 4-80 with spin from both ends won't fill anyone with confidence.
    Usman might bat four and Watson six. Would make everyone feel far more confident

    Oh......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Well I think so, but that's not necessarily saying much. If we're stuck with that choice I'd go Doherty. It isn't like the two offies we have are Murali and Laker ffs.
    Maxwell's primarily a batsman though, so picking him allows us to still go with a balance of 3 quicks + 2 spinners that doesn't involve Henriques having to play or Pattinson having to bat 7. It's not really about comparing Doherty's bowling to Maxwell's. Neither of them are anywhere close to being Test standard spinners at the moment frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Maxwell's primarily a batsman though, so picking him allows us to still go with a balance of 3 quicks + 2 spinners that doesn't involve Henriques having to play or Pattinson having to bat 7. It's not really about comparing Doherty's bowling to Maxwell's. Neither of them are anywhere close to being Test standard spinners at the moment frankly.
    Yeah but that won't help if he can't take wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Yeah but that won't help if he can't take wickets
    Neither of them are going to take wickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Is D00lan known to have some serious weakness aganst spin? I don't have anything against Usman except the fact he seems unable to actually play a forward stroke, but the other bloke has been belting the ears off it this year when there hasn't been a lot of low hanging batting fruit around.

    Maybe they see him as one for England, after giving Usman a chance following his being next-in-line for quite a while.
    I don't think Doolan has been tested enough in spinning conditions. When I watch him though I definitely think of him as a better player against the quick bowlers, I really think if you wanted to compare him to someone it would be Martin Love so he's going to often look very good.

    Looking at the squad, we've got Maxwell, Henriques, Smith all players that bits and pieces role and the big problem with that role is when they are batting, you wish we picked a specialist bat and when they are bowling you wish we picked a proper bowler so its a bit annoying given the fact that none of them deserve to bat in the top 6 and none of them are good enough to be a genuine wicket taking option as second spinner (I accept Henriques is fine as the fourth quick).

    The other day in an article where Hughes was going to leave the ODI series against WI early to go to India, Arthur said a squad of 11 or so will go to India early. Which 11 will that be and who will stay on for the rest of the ODI's? It's a difficult decision.



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