***Official*** Australia in India 2012/13

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Haha. I'm all for home pitches and Ill defend that forever. But doesn't sit right to specifically change the preparation in one area where the opposition bowler happens to bowl. If that was done at, say, Lord's, there'd be an outcry.

Yeah I agree, once you start changing the way a pitch normally plays to gain an advantage or, as mentioned in this article, are selective in the areas you water etc then I think that's going a bit far. Local weather conditions should determine how the pitch plays, not local curators. If conditions dictate there's normally a lot of turn so be it, same with movement off the deck for the quick bowlers.

[uvelocity]

Originally Posted by Spark

Is it just me or do we barely get through a week or two of cricket without Watson saying how how great it'd be if something was different?

he's like a puppy, except for the cuteness. even ugly puppies are cute.

[8ankitj]

Spark should change his sig tbh.

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by uvelocity

Whinging about this pitch is dumb imo. Sure if there is a total mudhole which is bad watching - different story. But that was an interesting test with performances from each side. Just one really stood out. I mean even at 38th grade park standard teams put the hats out further if it suits them. Tassie was making greentops because it suited them

It does rain a bit in Tassie. Kind of helps the production of greentops rather than dustbowls.
I don't think the pitch was unfair, the test went to the last day. A couple of balls did some pretty interesting things, but overall it turned a lot as you'd expect and we couldn't handle it.

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

"Doctored" implies the two teams played on two different pitches, or it was unfair in some way. Learn2play.

Personally I think doctored means changed to play differently to how it usually does. If you turned up to the Gabba after a year of normal weather conditions and found a raging turner that offered little for the quick men then you'd be a bit suspicious (if Australia found itself 3 decent spinners and were trying to play to their strengths that is).

If you turn up after a year where there's been normal weather conditions and it's pretty lively with a bit in it for the quick men in the first couple of days however then it's kind of what you'd expect.

[vic_orthdox]

Shane Watson. #shanewatsonthoughts

[Spark]

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

Spark should change his sig tbh.

nah it's still funny

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I don't even mind doctored conditions a huge amount (though within reason). But the preparation of the pitch should be the same across the whole pitch, the better comparison to the thing in the article would be if we decided to leave a ton of grass outside the right-handers' off stump compared to outside the left-handers' because we have tons of left handers and the oppo don't, for example.

[Spikey]

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Shane Watson. #shanewatsonthoughts

jay leno is so great #shanewatsonthoughts

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Spark

nah it's still funny

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I don't even mind doctored conditions a huge amount (though within reason). But the preparation of the pitch should be the same across the whole pitch, the better comparison to the thing in the article was if we decided to leave a ton of grass outside the right-handers' off stump compared to outside the left-handers' because we have tons of left handers and the oppo don't, for example.

Yeah, agree. If the curator wants to prepare a pitch to suit the home side then I haven't got a problem with that, but if he wants to prepare half the pitch to suit the home side then...

It goes beyond just playing to the strengths of your skills and delves into the realm of playing to the coincidental makeup of your side.

[Jono]

So in summary, everyone sees the difference between doing that, which we agree is going too far, and just producing a turner except social.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Jono

So in summary, everyone sees the difference between doing that, which we agree is going too far, and just producing a turner except social.

Yeah pretty much

[Howe_zat]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Yeah, agree. If the curator wants to prepare a pitch to suit the home side then I haven't got a problem with that, but if he wants to prepare half the pitch to suit the home side then...

It goes beyond just playing to the strengths of your skills and delves into the realm of playing to the coincidental makeup of your side.

I dunno. I want to agree but the line's still pretty blurry.

There are good reasons why offspin doesn't really work in Australia, or didn't a few years ago, and so when Australia went to India with a world class spinner he was in all likelihood naturally going to be a leggie.

You can't really say that the makeup of your side is coincidental, it's usually going to spring from how your country plays cricket, often to be due to conditions.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

I dunno. I want to agree but the line's still pretty blurry.

There are good reasons why offspin doesn't really work in Australia, or didn't a few years ago, and so when Australia went to India with a world class spinner he was in all likelihood naturally going to be a leggie.

You can't really say that the makeup of your side is coincidental, it's usually going to spring from how your country plays cricket, often to be due to conditions.

I was more talking about Spark's example though, which I think is in effect the same thing that they did here. If you've got a stack of left handers in your team, that's a coincidence, and having the curator prepare different parts of the pitch differently because of that really has nothing to do with developing different skills for different conditions, or playing to your strengths. I don't think what happened here is really any different.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

I dunno. I want to agree but the line's still pretty blurry.

There are good reasons why offspin doesn't really work in Australia, or didn't a few years ago, and so when Australia went to India with a world class spinner he was in all likelihood naturally going to be a leggie.

You can't really say that the makeup of your side is coincidental, it's usually going to spring from how your country plays cricket, often to be due to conditions.

My example is different though, in that case you're creating the situation where the teams are effectively playing on two different surfaces.

[social]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Yeah pretty much

I repeat, where the **** did I criticise the pitch?

I criticised the attitude of India's players who come out in the media every day demanding a dust bowl and then whinging when they lose on one - they are weak as piss

Let's not forget that Jono's manbro Mr Kohli has spent the last 18 months blaming his side's thrashing in Oz on green-tops produced to favour the home side

OK, let's name 1 pitch in Oz that behaved differently to what it does for every single game during that season

Anyone?

Anyone??

Anyone???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????

No, I didnt think so