Page 1 of 508 1231151101501 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 7611
Like Tree1Likes

Thread: ***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013

  1. #1
    Hall of Fame Member NZTailender's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
    Posts
    19,499

    ***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013

    Mon Feb 4
    04:00 GMT | 17:00 local
    New Zealand XI v England XI
    Cobham Oval (New), Whangarei

    Wed Feb 6
    01:00 GMT | 14:00 local
    New Zealand XI v England XI
    Cobham Oval (New), Whangarei

    Sat Feb 9
    06:00 GMT | 19:00 local
    1st T20I - New Zealand v England
    Eden Park, Auckland

    Tue Feb 12
    06:00 GMT | 19:00 local
    2nd T20I - New Zealand v England
    Seddon Park, Hamilton

    Fri Feb 15
    06:00 GMT | 19:00 local
    3rd T20I - New Zealand v England
    Westpac Stadium, Wellington

    Sun Feb 17
    01:00 GMT | 14:00 local
    1st ODI - New Zealand v England
    Seddon Park, Hamilton

    Wed Feb 20
    01:00 GMT | 14:00 local
    2nd ODI - New Zealand v England
    McLean Park, Napier

    Sat Feb 23
    01:00 GMT | 14:00 local
    3rd ODI - New Zealand v England
    Eden Park, Auckland

    Wed Feb 27 - Sat Mar 2
    21:30 GMT (prev day) | 10:30 local
    New Zealand XI v England XI
    Queenstown Events Centre

    Wed Mar 6 - Sun Mar 10
    21:30 GMT (prev day) | 10:30 local
    1st Test - New Zealand v England
    University Oval, Dunedin

    Thu Mar 14 - Mon Mar 18
    21:30 GMT (prev day) | 10:30 local
    2nd Test - New Zealand v England
    Basin Reserve, Wellington

    Fri Mar 22 - Tue Mar 26
    21:30 GMT (prev day) | 10:30 local
    3rd Test - New Zealand v England
    Eden Park, Auckland


    Now is a good a time as any to start speculating, especially since the NZ Test team has more problems than most.

    New Zealand v England | Cricket news, live scores, fixtures, features and statistics on ESPN Cricinfo
    Last edited by Fusion; 01-02-2013 at 01:26 PM. Reason: Added fixtures
    President of SKAS - Kat is King | Proud member of CVAAS - One of the best | LRPLTAS - Rosco rocks!
    The NZTailender Supporting XI:
    H Rutherford, T Latham, N Broom, M Bracewell, D Brownlie, BJ Watling, D de Boorder+, M Henry, B Wheeler, H Bennett, A Milne
    Go Tigers!
    R.I.P. Fardin & Craig

  2. #2
    U19 12th Man Mixmasterreece's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    NZ
    Posts
    282
    God, where to start on that test team....

    1. Watling (Hesitant to move him at the movement, but theres no other opening options)
    2. Flynn (Unless he can play a nuggety, patient role in the top 3 he is of no use to that team batting at #5 - Im a massive Flynn fan but my patience is wearing thin)
    3. McCullum (To be honest, Id rather he batted at 6 or 7)
    4. Taylor
    5. Williamson (Hiding him sure, but needs a chance to play against old ball to regain confidence)
    6. Brownlee
    7. Munro (As a batting all rounder - deserves a shot on his home turf (as)
    8. Vetorri / Astle* (Massive weak area. Out of the current spin options Astle just gets the tick due to his batting. Having said that I wouldnt be opposed to Bruce Martin getting his chance based on Shield form)
    9.Bracewell
    10. Southee
    11. Boult

    12. McClenaghan (has shown more in a few T20s than Wagner has in 3 tests)
    13. Guptil (As middle order cover - not to open)
    14. Milne/Cachopa (as worthy as anyone)

    Not a perfect lineup, but I'm not seeing a wide range of options apart from bringing in Ronchi or throwing Rutherford in at the deep end.

    + side is moving Watling up the order gives us the perception of a very deep batting order, and considering our #6 and #7 do most of our batting it makes sense to strengthen the start of our tail.

    * I imagine the Astle selection is a bit of a pipe dream. Sounds like Hesson has told Astle he won't be in the side again until we tour the sub continent again one day. Laughable.
    Last edited by Mixmasterreece; 14-01-2013 at 05:42 PM.

  3. #3
    State Captain Chubb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    1,866
    Quote Originally Posted by Mixmasterreece View Post
    6. Brownlee
    Calling up Fat Gerry not the best idea... /Pedant
    Last edited by Chubb; 14-01-2013 at 08:12 PM.
    ZIMBABWE
    Somebody has to...

  4. #4
    U19 Debutant jcas0167's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    365
    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb View Post
    Calling up Fat Gerry not the best idea... /Pedant


    Michael Vaughan had a good article before Christmas and had the following thoughts about the NZ tour:

    New Zealand in February is a good trip for Cook at the right time. There will be lots of England fans out there creating a cracking atmosphere in the grounds so it should not feel like an anticlimax after the India series.

    I think part of the problem in the UAE against Pakistan earlier this year was that the atmosphere was alien with few England fans and Test matches played in a country with no history of cricket. But New Zealand is very different. It is a great tour and a series I expect England to win comfortably.

    Englandís seam bowlers have skill levels that are higher than the New Zealanders. There have also been a few problems within New Zealand cricket. They have lost the captaincy of Ross Taylor after a split in the camp and may not be united.


  5. #5
    Hall of Fame Member _Ed_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Auckland, Aotearoa
    Posts
    19,859
    Yeah, I remember seeing that at the time. But while Anderson is obviously a class above, I'm not sure I agree with his assessment of the seamers' skill levels.

  6. #6
    U19 Debutant jcas0167's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    365
    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    Yeah, I remember seeing that at the time. But while Anderson is obviously a class above, I'm not sure I agree with his assessment of the seamers' skill levels.
    I think with Southee back our seamers are actually on a par. The difference is their batting - particularly top order which features Cook who is an all time great.
    Last edited by jcas0167; 14-01-2013 at 09:21 PM.

  7. #7
    International Vice-Captain BeeGee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,828
    Quote Originally Posted by Mixmasterreece View Post
    God, where to start on that test team....

    1. Watling (Hesitant to move him at the movement, but theres no other opening options)
    2. Flynn (Unless he can play a nuggety, patient role in the top 3 he is of no use to that team batting at #5 - Im a massive Flynn fan but my patience is wearing thin)
    3. McCullum (To be honest, Id rather he batted at 6 or 7)
    4. Taylor
    5. Williamson (Hiding him sure, but needs a chance to play against old ball to regain confidence)
    6. Brownlee
    7. Munro (As a batting all rounder - deserves a shot on his home turf (as)
    8. Vetorri / Astle* (Massive weak area. Out of the current spin options Astle just gets the tick due to his batting. Having said that I wouldnt be opposed to Bruce Martin getting his chance based on Shield form)
    9.Bracewell
    10. Southee
    11. Boult

    12. McClenaghan (has shown more in a few T20s than Wagner has in 3 tests)
    13. Guptil (As middle order cover - not to open)
    14. Milne/Cachopa (as worthy as anyone)

    Not a perfect lineup, but I'm not seeing a wide range of options apart from bringing in Ronchi or throwing Rutherford in at the deep end.

    + side is moving Watling up the order gives us the perception of a very deep batting order, and considering our #6 and #7 do most of our batting it makes sense to strengthen the start of our tail.

    * I imagine the Astle selection is a bit of a pipe dream. Sounds like Hesson has told Astle he won't be in the side again until we tour the sub continent again one day. Laughable.
    You can't have your keeper open the batting.

  8. #8
    International Debutant ohnoitsyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Hamilton, city of well....
    Posts
    2,348
    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    You can't have your keeper open the batting.
    Yeah you can, just give McCullum 30 or so overs every once in a while

  9. #9
    International Captain wellAlbidarned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    away from the palms
    Posts
    6,353
    Yeah. If Watling opens then Ronchi has to come in and take the gloves.
    Exit pursuing a beer

  10. #10
    International Captain wellAlbidarned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    away from the palms
    Posts
    6,353
    Quote Originally Posted by ohnoitsyou View Post
    Yeah you can, just give McCullum 30 or so overs every once in a while
    This just doesn't happen in international cricket, let alone with McCullum. If you're keeping then you're ****ing keeping.

  11. #11
    Hall of Fame Member NZTailender's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
    Posts
    19,499
    State of the Nation

    So I've been mulling over different routes that could be taken in regards to the composition of our? Or should we wait until after this series before giving Rutherford, etc, a game? Perhaps in England.

    So I'm going to go ahead and throw some options out there, assuming that Taylor and Southee will be back for the series and that Ryder and Vettori won't be. It becomes a bit more obvious when all those guys come back.

    So, side one: a little deviation.
    1. D Flynn
    2. B McCullum
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. D Brownlie
    6. B Watling+
    7. J Neesham/T Astle
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult

    Give Flynn another crack at opening, while Guptill heads back to domestic and, possibly, CC cricket over our winter. Neesham to take the all-rounder spot on a seamer pitch; has been in pretty good form and offers more than Franklin and Munro, for mine. If, for whatever reason, there's a bit of turn Astle would provide some good variation to go with Martin. Martin deserves a go, is currently 2nd highest FC wicket taker this season (behind Butler). Both Neesham and Astle picked with the future in mind.


    2nd team is based on the form of Watling and the calls for him to go up the order. Flynn would drop out and Ronchi would sweep in.

    1. B Watling
    2. B McCullum
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. D Brownlie
    6. L Ronchi+
    7. J Neesham/T Astle
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult

    3rd team is to pick a current in form opener. It would be interesting to see if Redmond's ability has improved, and the same for Papps. Not sure what Fulton's injury time frame is but given he got the nod to go on the SA tour, if he's fit, he should be picked ahead of the previously mentioned.

    1. P Fulton (A Redmond/M Papps)
    2. B McCullum
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. D Brownlie
    6. B Watling+
    7. J Neesham/T Astle
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult


    4th would be more batting heavy, with one of Papps or Redmond to open with Fulton, and McCullum to drop back down to keeping.

    1. P Fulton
    2. A Redmond/M Papps
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. D Brownlie
    6. B Watling
    7. B McCullum+
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult

    Not too keen on hiding Willimason but if it were to happen

    1. P Fulton/A Redmond/M Papps/D Flynn
    2. B Watling
    3. B McCullum
    4. R Taylor
    5. K Williamson
    6. D Brownlie
    7. L Ronchi+
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult

    Extra bowling options: M McClenaghan, K Mills (having a pretty good season with the ball - 14 @ 23.21 - and performed against England last time they toured), M Gillespie*, A Milne* (if they're fit)

    So then after this series, ideally...

    1. B McCullum
    2. D Flynn/M Guptill/A Redmond/P Fulton/M Papps/H Rutherford
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. J Ryder
    6. D Brownlie
    7. BJ Watling+
    8. D Vettori
    9. T Southee
    10. D Bracewell
    11. T Boult

    The future?

    1. J Raval
    2. H Rutherford
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. J Ryder
    6. D Brownlie
    7. B Watling+
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. T Nethula/I Sodhi
    11. T Boult

    Some older hands XI
    1. BJ Watling
    2. M Sinclair
    3. K Williamson
    4. R Taylor
    5. J Ryder
    6. B McCullum+
    7. D Vettori
    8. K Mills
    9. T Southee
    10. D Bracewell
    11. T Boult


    Stats from this season
    Openers:
    A Redmond 640 @ 53.33
    M Papps 548 @ 68.50
    P Fulton 504 @ 72.00
    J Raval 380 @ 42.22
    H Rutherford 329 @ 27.41
    J How 275 @ 27.50
    T McIntosh 239 @ 34.14
    J Brodie 224 @ 32.00

    Other batsmen:
    C Munro 623 @ 124.60
    L Ronchi 441 @ 73.50
    M Sinclair 379 @ 42.11
    C Cachopa 357 @ 59.50
    N Broom 333 @ 37.00
    D Flynn 241 @ 60.25

    AR:
    T Astle 282 @ 56.40 - 2 @ 152.50
    J Neesham 275 @ 39.28 - 14 @ 34.78



    Some of those line ups could have players interchanged between them and still work. Interested to know what everyone else's thoughts are on the openers, whether or not to look to experience vs England or start blooding some younger guys. Quite like Mixmasterreece's team too.
    Last edited by NZTailender; 14-01-2013 at 10:01 PM.

  12. #12
    Cricketer Of The Year Hurricane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Don't be jealous of the HRV cup
    Posts
    9,921
    With regards who to open in the tests?

    i think Rutherford should play some T20 stuff. he is a seriously good player.
    I wouldn't pick him for tests - a) His SR in FC cricket (70) puts me off him as a test player. b) he is averaging 27 this year in FC cricket per your stats. Not good enough.

    I don't think they will take the gloves off Watling and make him open. i think they will consider that too confusing for Watling. They told him to become a keeper and he has done so. Now a couple of games later they are saying don't keep just open. Therefore I would rule him out. Even though it might be a good idea.

    Guptil has to go. 48 is not enough to save his career.

    Any of our domestic openers who is doing well this year should get a go. If Fulton is fit then give him a go. Basically any living breathing opener who is averaging more than 30 should come into consideration.

    I wouldn't write off Ryder from the team. I think if NZC smells the coffee they will realise that we really need to do well in this series or they may not be many more 2 match or 3 match test series.
    If I were NZC I would send an SOS to Ryder.

    I think Baz should go down to number 3 but because there is no one else he must continue to open.

    edit - we should have kept Mcintosh. He got an 80 every series. Even though he failed in the other digs. At least he was determined.
    Last edited by Hurricane; 14-01-2013 at 10:35 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    I got great enjoyment in going to the game and shouting "WHY THE **** ISN'T THIS GAME BEING PLAYED AT THE BASIN?!>!?!?" to reasonably significant cheers from the sparse crowd
    Proudly against the bring back Bennett movement since he is injury prone and won't last 5 days.

  13. #13
    International Debutant ohnoitsyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Hamilton, city of well....
    Posts
    2,348
    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    This just doesn't happen in international cricket, let alone with McCullum. If you're keeping then you're ****ing keeping.
    Totally agree but its worth it if it keeps Ronchi out of the side

  14. #14
    Cricketer Of The Year Hurricane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Don't be jealous of the HRV cup
    Posts
    9,921
    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    I wouldn't write off Ryder from the team. I think if NZC smells the coffee they will realise that we really need to do well in this series or they may not be many more 2 match or 3 match test series.
    If I were NZC I would send an SOS to Ryder.
    One network news states that Ryder will have a meeting with the management team including Hesson at the end of the month.

    He is a possibility depending on what happens at the meeting.

  15. #15
    U19 Captain Tricia McMillan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Short Leg
    Posts
    619
    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    One network news states that Ryder will have a meeting with the management team including Hesson at the end of the month.

    He is a possibility depending on what happens at the meeting.
    Knowing NZC it wouldn't surprise me if Jesse Ryder was recalled but they continued to give Ross the cold shoulder.
    85.5
    Boult to Mathews, OUT, Caught at second slip! It was a length ball going across Angelo, who tried to hit it hard towards the leg side and got an outside edge that flew fast towards Guptill, who took a reflex catch in front of his face

Page 1 of 508 1231151101501 ... LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. 2013 Predictions
    By theegyptian in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 69
    Last Post: 31-12-2013, 10:09 AM
  2. Ashes Cricket 2013 Announced
    By James in forum General
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 28-03-2013, 05:53 PM
  3. The 2013 Ashes - which players will keep their place?
    By Howe_zat in forum Ashes 2013/2014
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 11-01-2011, 04:40 AM
  4. IPL Contracts 2011 - 2013 for the "stars"
    By social in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 42
    Last Post: 26-04-2010, 07:03 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •