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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Oh yes, certainly. But Bell actually gets credited much, much more for it. Trott often gets a raw deal for being poor to watch.
    Think it is all the stuff that comes with it, the scatching around and what not. Agree that some of his individual shots are lovely to watch but he lacks that overall look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Indeed. And weren't the likes of Dinda registering higher not so long ago? Just shows how there's more to speed than just the figure on the speed gun.
    Yeah, as with so much in life it's not just what you've got, what you do with it is more important.

    I'm sure I've said before that I think telly misses a trick by not showing the reaction time a batsman has from release to playing as well as the raw air velocity. My guess is it would back up the idea some bowlers lose less pace after pitching than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Prince C View Post
    Bell > Trott for good looking batting.

    Certainly a partnership at current that purists should enjoy.
    Funny thing is, I enjoy Bell in Tests, but not so much in limited overs, I just think his languid style is more frustrating in this form, he just doesn't know how to pinch singles. Whilst I enjoy it in the longer form, the opposite could have been said of Collingwood, where scurrying and alertness to all chances of runs made him more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Plz explain what there is to speed other than speed
    Heavy balls travel slower at the same speed!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Plz explain what there is to speed other than speed
    Well I think that certain bowlers can get the ball to maintain its speed better as it travels through the air and off the pitch, meaning the pace has dropped less when it reaches the batsman. For example they showed on the TV a Dale Steyn delivery that was 149kph when it left the hand, and was around 120 when it reached the batsman/stumps. I believe with certain bowlers the ball would be 125kph, or 115kph after leaving the hand at the same speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Mills 134-136kph. McClenaghan 131kph ramping it up to 137kph for the "quick one". It's the darndest thing.
    Think Mitch is just trying to get it in the right areas. That last ball was 139 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Funny thing is, I enjoy Bell in Tests, but not so much in limited overs, I just think his languid style is more frustrating in this form, he just doesn't know how to pinch singles. Whilst I enjoy it in the longer form, the opposite could have been said of Collingwood, where scurrying and alertness to all chances of runs made him more interesting.
    Not me. Flat pitch, little swing, hard ball; I could watch Bell open in limited overs cricket all day.

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    These English batsmen don't believe in rotating the strike much, do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Think Mitch is just trying to get it in the right areas. That last ball was 139 though.
    Mills just bowled one at 137kph

    So far they seem basically the exact same speed, Mitch is less consistent but both averaging mid-130s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Mills just bowled one at 137kph

    So far they seem basically the exact same speed, Mitch is less consistent but both averaging mid-130s.
    And yet you've got Mills who apparently isn't quick enough and offers no threat after the ball loses its shine, vs Mitch who is fast and intimidating

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Funny thing is, I enjoy Bell in Tests, but not so much in limited overs, I just think his languid style is more frustrating in this form, he just doesn't know how to pinch singles. Whilst I enjoy it in the longer form, the opposite could have been said of Collingwood, where scurrying and alertness to all chances of runs made him more interesting.
    I really like a languid style in limited overs personally, Jayawardene's 100 in the world cup final was just superb to watch.

    Agree Bell is frustrating although far less so when he opens but actually think it looks like he is trying too hard sometimes, always does that intense grimace thing in ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Well I think that certain bowlers can get the ball to maintain its speed better as it travels through the air and off the pitch, meaning the pace has dropped less when it reaches the batsman. For example they showed on the TV a Dale Steyn delivery that was 149kph when it left the hand, and was around 120 when it reached the batsman/stumps. I believe with certain bowlers the ball would be 125kph, or 115kph after leaving the hand at the same speed.
    If the ball leaves the hand at a certain speed, wouldn't any variation between bowlers in "maintaining speed" be down to trajectory? I don't see anything about McClenaghan's trajectory that would make him faster than the radar suggests....he is only of middling height for a seamer, neither really bouncy nor really flat and direct like, say, Malinga.

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    McClenghan's older than I thought, actually. Allott mentioned he's 26.

    He suddenly gained a yard or something? Late bloomer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Mills just bowled one at 137kph

    So far they seem basically the exact same speed, Mitch is less consistent but both averaging mid-130s.
    He is massively inconsistent pace-wise. 131, 139, 133.



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