***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

Yep I'm not hating...just, in terms of his future prospects, I don't really see what compelling attributes he has. He's neither very fast nor very tall and as far as I'm aware he's not known as a canny swing bowler or for being super accurate.

I think he's pretty much just taken the perfect path to being recognised as a good bowler by the general public in NZ. When he was younger he focused on bowling absolutely flat out regardless of the results he got in order to be recognised as a bowler "with potential", "worth keeping an eye on" etc because he could occasionally hit really high speeds. When enough people had said that about him he started bowling in the manner most effective for his talents - which is seemingly around the fast-medium range with far greater control, good bounce and occasional movement - so when he had any success doing that he'd get rushed straight into the side amidst excitement about his (former) pace. He's still being completely outperformed by the likes of Arnel domestically but because he was quite fast when he was younger (even if completely unsuccessful at the time, mind) he's getting some opportunities.

See also: Milne, Butler, even Bond to an extent.

(Okay I don't really think he did that on purpose, but it's exactly what I'd do if I was a young bowler with tunnel vision on NZ selection.)

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

I know I'm the guy that hates everything but....every single one of our commentators is just awful. Just fundamentally moronic in their analysis of the game (and these dozy ***** used to play for us!). I even like some of the Aussie and English comms, but absolutely none of ours.

Originally Posted by Zinzan

Yeah, it's mental how far off the pace our lot are when it comes to fundamentals. Styris is the only one I've heard recently who seems to have a clue.

Jeremy Coney is 24 karat, tbf. Doubt you chaps hear him too often tho as he seems to be in our Sky's studio as often as not.

[Mike5181]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

Yeah...I wonder where all the "talk around the traps" about him being quick came from though. Not even as quick as Butler is he?

About the same.

[thierry henry]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I think he's pretty much just taken the perfect path to being recognised as a good bowler by the general public in NZ. When he was younger he focused on bowling absolutely flat out regardless of the results he got in order to be recognised as a bowler "with potential", "worth keeping an eye on" etc because he could occasionally hit really high speeds. When enough people had said that about him he started bowling in the manner most effective for talents - which is seemingly around the fast-medium range with far greater control, good bounce and occasional movement - so when he had any success doing that he'd get rushed straight into the side amidst excitement about his (former) pace. He's still being completely outperformed by the likes of Arnel domestically but because he was quite fast when he was younger (even if completely unsuccessful at the time, mind) he 's getting some opportunities.

See also: Milne, Butler, even Bond to an extent.

(Okay I don't really think he did that on purpose, but it's exactly what I'd do if I was a young bowler with tunnel vision on NZ selection.)

haha this is so true

He's our new speed sensation because he used to be fast and is now not fast but quite good

[KiWiNiNjA]

Buttler is amazing.

[thierry henry]

ok, why did we just bowl Elliott? Anyone?

[stumpski]

Ian O'Brien on 5LSX seems quite sensible. Buttler enjoying Elliott's bowling - at least there's time for him to get a first 50 for England.

[Howe_zat]

Don't let them get you down Jos

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Jeremy Coney is 24 karat, tbf. Doubt you chaps hear him too often tho as he seems to be in our Sky's studio as often as not.

He was a big loss from the commentary team here. I used to like Glenn Turner too, quite dry but offered deeper analysis than most of the current bunch.

[stumpski]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Ha, 16 off the over and the RR still goes up.

20 off the last, and it went up again!

[BoyBrumby]

Have to say Jos's eye is absolutely amazing.

First 50 for the boy. Hats off.

[thierry henry]

Right out of the NZ death bowling manual this. If Mills was playing the match would be odds-on to go to the last ball.

[BoyBrumby]

Well that was fun while it lasted.

Buttler's batting and Wright's bowling the silver linings to take forward to Friday.

[NZTailender]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

ok, why did we just bowl Elliott? Anyone?

Baz didn't want his bro to go for more than 30.

Meanwhile, Franks wanting to finish better than Butler.

[Howe_zat]

James Tredwell with a career strike rate of 212