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    Can't fault Southee's effort but I do think he was a little bit short too often. Needed to be a touch fuller to make the reverse swing more dangerous.

    Same with Wagner really.

    Not really a criticism, just something to improve on for next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Can't fault Southee's effort but I do think he was a little bit short too often. Needed to be a touch fuller to make the reverse swing more dangerous.

    Same with Wagner really.

    Not really a criticism, just something to improve on for next time.
    Yeah, agreed. Fuller bowling required. The short ball is best used as a rarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Fuller bowling required.
    Pretty sure he isn't available for NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Can't fault Southee's effort but I do think he was a little bit short too often. Needed to be a touch fuller to make the reverse swing more dangerous.

    Same with Wagner really.

    Not really a criticism, just something to improve on for next time.
    Exactly - most people wondered about Southee's efforts in the long haul type innings, but over the course of the series he has showed that he needs to load up on bowling long spells, then he's fine.

    In terms of bowling Southee/Wagner short, I think they genuinely thought that was their best chance to get Prior out. That is where he gave two pretty good chances.

    In terms of Bartin bowling short... that's another story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Binkley View Post
    I just wanted to pop in and say how awesome yesterday was. I took the afternoon off work and watched the final two sessions. I now have no fingernails left. What an absolute emotional roller coaster. But, despite that roller coaster, at the end of play I didn't feel disappointed. Instead I felt exhilarated. New Zealand didn't win, but the team played their hearts out. And England played magnificently to deny them. The team should not be ashamed of not winning, or feel regret for decisions and actions that they did not take and which might have helped them win. They should just feel proud of their performance. Damn proud.
    Yup, quality post this. I'm actually taking it surprisingly well given I'm normally one to sulk and to ignore ALL cricket for at least a week when something like this happens, but like you I think this latest effort requires some perspective and I am proud of our lads efforts. Still gutted overall though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binkley View Post
    I just wanted to pop in and say how awesome yesterday was. I took the afternoon off work and watched the final two sessions. I now have no fingernails left. What an absolute emotional roller coaster. But, despite that roller coaster, at the end of play I didn't feel disappointed. Instead I felt exhilarated. New Zealand didn't win, but the team played their hearts out. And England played magnificently to deny them. The team should not be ashamed of not winning, or feel regret for decisions and actions that they did not take and which might have helped them win. They should just feel proud of their performance. Damn proud.
    Top post and I agree. Hope they use it as a springboard to better results for the future.

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    Should've called Australia over after England. Would've been plenty morale boosting then.

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    I think I should stop going to Test matches. The four days I went to of this series were seriously turgid. Then Auckland of all places gets all the drama. Wankers.
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    Was absolutely gutted listening on my i-phone at work yesterday. So devastated that I left work early, and didn't go to a teacher's mini-drinking session scheduled for the evening. I shouldn't let a bloody cricket match affect me like that, but fellow tragics on here will understand.

    Anyway, great effort by the guys, but I wish the poor bowlers didn't have to create 12 chances to get 10 wickets.

    Because of the close result, the pitch has not been discussed. The only reason Broad could survive 100 balls like was because the pitch as flat as some birds over here.

    And are there also some of you who are also thinking like me that Boult and Southee will probably be more successful overseas in the future due to the increasingly flat and slow wickets they are encountering in home conditions?

    Also very disappointed in Martin yesterday. Mark Watson calling him a gun find clearly wasn't watching days 4 and 5. Might as well bring Vettori back since, like Martin, he gets wickets when batsmen attack him.

    Try this on for size for the Lord's test:

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    Light on batting? Harsh on Brownlee and I'm not replacing him because of the dropped catch, but do we really expect him to average more than 35 over a career? Having said that, he does break up the aggressive middle-orders players quite nicely, and sometimes you need that.

    Come to think of it, I might get Brownlee back in there and take out Wagner. Again, harsh on Wagner, but it's actually exciting times to be a New Zealand cricket supporter for once because we have genuine back ups.

    Henry also has to be worth a shot for the limited overs touring squad.
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    Brownlie bats in a bubble, but often he bats at a good strike rate and I reckon he can average high 30s. Yes he's been very inconsistent but he has a hundred against SA in SA (and was smashing them I might add) and was our best batsman by far in Australia on green tops. He has also improved out of sight against spin, though he is yet to be tested in front of our eyes against a Swann or an Ajmal (he did play against Swann in the warm up game and played a good hand though). He is a quality batsman. Will be at least as good as Vettori imo.

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    I'd back Brownlie to average 35-38.

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    I'm not really a big Brownlie fan but you shouldn't be dropping him for Vettori unless you think Vettori is likely to hit more runs than him. Williamson has proved more than capable as the fifth bowler IMO regardless the balance of the best of your attack; you shouldn't need six.
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    Accepting that six batsmen is the go, do we really think that Bartin is a better test cricketer than Vettori?

    I expect Bartin to average around 35 (with the ball) at best and he will probably average high 30s. I was feeling fine about having him in the side until yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Accepting that six batsmen is the go, do we really think that Bartin is a better test cricketer than Vettori?

    I expect Bartin to average around 35 (with the ball) at best and he will probably average high 30s. I was feeling fine about having him in the side until yesterday.
    I don't think Vettori's batting should really come into that comparison unless you think they're essentially equal as bowlers.

    If you think Bruce Martin is a better bowler than Vettori and you think Brownlie is a better batsman than Vettori, then Vettori shouldn't be playing.

    Essentially what I'm saying is that there's no need to pick Vettori as a bits and pieces cricketer. You either pick him because you think he's one of your best four middle order batsmen excluding Watling, or you pick him because you think he's your best spinner, or you leave him out. Williamson is fine as the fifth bowler and the combined strength of the tail is also fine; you shouldn't need Vettori to prop these things up unless he makes the side or batting or spin bowling alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Was absolutely gutted listening on my i-phone at work yesterday. So devastated that I left work early, and didn't go to a teacher's mini-drinking session scheduled for the evening. I shouldn't let a bloody cricket match affect me like that, but fellow tragics on here will understand.
    I was moping around the office quite despondent after finding out Bell was dropped and Prior continued his excellent form. A shame that emotionally it seems worse to dominate the majority of a game and draw than to be pummelled but hang on to survive.

    More philosophical about it now and agree with the poster above that the team should be hugely proud of their efforts. Was a great series.
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