Page 503 of 508 FirstFirst ... 3403453493501502503504505 ... LastLast
Results 7,531 to 7,545 of 7611
Like Tree1Likes

Thread: ***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013

  1. #7531
    Cricketer Of The Year wpdavid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    8,859
    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Depends on early season form. Feel for Bairstow, no cricket in ages and then shoved in a test match and expected to shine. Reminds me of Anderson all those years ago.
    Dead right. If Bairstow is next cab off the ranks, you don't change that after one poor test, especially in the circumstances you described. The one thing that probably has gone against him is that Root will have kept his place in the side ahead of him, but that's another matter.

  2. #7532
    State Vice-Captain
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    1,207
    We drew England here in South Africa, for much the same reasons NZ did in NZ. We then went on to beat them at home. I have faith that NZ can do the same!

  3. #7533
    International Coach KiWiNiNjA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    In the kitchen
    Posts
    10,592
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Broad took a bat handle to the throat as well. It's fair to say I've never seen that before.
    I'm sure it's not the first time he's taken something like that to the throat.

  4. #7534
    Cricket Web Owner James's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    23,832
    Nice post-match interviews for those who haven't seen them - Cricket: McCullum sticks by his declaration decision - Sport - NZ Herald News


  5. #7535
    International Coach social's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    AUSTRALIA
    Posts
    12,380
    The timing of the declaration is only relevant because NZ didnt win

    If the bails had fallen off when Prior was 20 odd, no-one would care

  6. #7536
    U19 Cricketer KungFu_Kallis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Kiwiland
    Posts
    461
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    It's also a massive wake up call for England about the state they're in. They'll still go into the Ashes as favourites, but they'll need to raise their game if it's to be the cakewalk many would have you think it'll be.
    Noone who knows cricket seriously thinks that. Except maybe that tosser Vaughan...

  7. #7537
    Hall of Fame Member grecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Moeen is a perfectly fine bowler FFS.
    Posts
    15,008
    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    The timing of the declaration is only relevant because NZ didnt win

    If the bails had fallen off when Prior was 20 odd, no-one would care
    Blimey, I agree with Social, the declaration was pretty perfect, allowed attacking fields, decent catching and the Kiwi's would have won.
    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.
    Walt Whitman

  8. #7538
    U19 Cricketer KungFu_Kallis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Kiwiland
    Posts
    461
    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    I think Trent Boult might be better than Tim Southee.

    I honestly never thought I'd say that, I've always been of the opinion Southee was the better bowler of the two whilst also possessing a higher upside, but Boult has just been soooooooo good over the last nine months it isn't even funny. 41 wickets @ 30 and that doesn't even do him justice, should be 50 @ 25 and that's just the drop catches portion of it (not the going past the bat a million times without reward)

    I've rated Boult as a serious bowler for years, believed he should've been playing test cricket 18 months earlier than what he was, and would become enraged after reading a "Neil Wagner will save NZ cricket" article whilst Boult got zero media attention. But not even I thought he'd be this good, not this early anyway. It's a big call but I genuinely believe he's nigh on being a top five pacer in the world already.
    Wagner has been way unluckier, and looked the more threatening today from boundary's edge imo. I still rate him an equal if not better bowler, though his stats don't show it yet. Boult has been consistent though and often gets some swing with the new ball at a decent pace, so more than handy. Doesn't do quite enough with the old ball though.

    Edit: Wagner never gets the new ball... he's being used as an old ball specialist, which is fair enough, but obviously tougher for him that way. Would love to see what he can do with a new cherry sometime as he does for Otago.
    Last edited by KungFu_Kallis; 26-03-2013 at 02:08 PM.

  9. #7539
    School Boy/Girl Captain Гурин's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Gurin, Russia
    Posts
    195
    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    outrageous prediction!
    That was just simple 'luck', luck of the unlukiest kind. Say whatever you want about Gambhir(ing), he might be irritating and redundant but he seems to score a double ton every time the kiwis are playing

    A bit more happy about Taylor's solid catching once again after people were criticizing him up here during the lunch break. One single performance doesn't prove anything, that's sure, but it felt good nonetheless.
    It's the pitch, stupid.

  10. #7540
    Hall of Fame Member grecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Moeen is a perfectly fine bowler FFS.
    Posts
    15,008
    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    Wagner has been way unluckier, and looked the more threatening today from boundary's edge imo. I still rate him an equal if not better bowler, though his stats don't show it yet. Boult has been consistent though and often gets some swing with the new ball at a decent pace, so more than handy. Doesn't do quite enough with the old ball though.

    Edit: Wagner never gets the new ball... he's being used as an old ball specialist, which is fair enough, but obviously tougher for him that way. Would love to see what he can do with a new cherry sometime as he does for Otago.

    Wow the boundary's edge must look very different from watching on tv, Wagner is not in the same league as Boult, and not that close to Southee. He bowled better today, but most of his wickets are from poor balls. Unluckier, nah, quite the opposite.

  11. #7541
    International Captain wellAlbidarned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    away from the palms
    Posts
    6,315
    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    Wagner has been way unluckier, and looked the more threatening today from boundary's edge imo. I still rate him an equal if not better bowler, though his stats don't show it yet. Boult has been consistent though and often gets some swing with the new ball at a decent pace, so more than handy. Doesn't do quite enough with the old ball though.

    Edit: Wagner never gets the new ball... he's being used as an old ball specialist, which is fair enough, but obviously tougher for him that way. Would love to see what he can do with a new cherry sometime as he does for Otago.
    Ahaha, luck is one thing Wagner hasn't been short of this series. He's the bowling equivalent of a million monkeys with typewriters.
    Exit pursuing a beer

  12. #7542
    Cricketer Of The Year Bahnz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    On top of a pile of money, surrounded by many beautiful women
    Posts
    7,674
    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    I hope I told you so in some old thread somewhere, because I've certainly been thinking it. Though much of that tbf was when Southee was bowling puss and Boult was first gunning it when he came into the side.

    edit: i think in this series Boult has become McCullum's senior bowler as well.

    Though tbh the strength of our bowling will be in the trio. Southee/Boult the opening pack and we're going to have to see how Bracewell, Wagner, Milne, Wheeler and Henry sort themselves out.
    I like Boult, but I don't think he's better than Southee, not yet anyway. He was magnificent in the last test, and if it wasn't for the egregious sins of his past lives, he likely would've finished with a deserved 10 wicket bag.

    However, as good as he was in Auckland, he was equally bad in Wellington - leaking runs at 4+ an over, drifting into the pads and dishing up short stuff with alarming regularity, and generally undermining the pressure that the rest of the side was trying to build up. He struggled with this inconsistency throughout the winter as well. He was excellent in Sri Lanka, but served up a lot of free runs in the crucial second test against India.

    Southee looked like he was only at about 80% in this series (particularly in the first two matches), but he was offering far fewer freebies and when fully fit bowls at the same pace as Boult (as we saw in SL). I agree that Boult may have a higher ceiling though.

    I also agree that we need someone a bit different in the 3rd seamers role. Wagner did well in this series, but he's not a natural 3rd seamer and very few of his wickets were down to anything other than batsman error. A bounce or pace bowler would be ideal. Milne hasn't played enough this season to merit a callup, but maybe Butler has earnt a go. He's actually done quite a bit of his bowling for Otago this season as first change, which should prepare him well for performing the role for the national side.

    Squad for the return tour (assuming Vettori isn't fit)

    Playing XI
    +
    Guptill
    Bracewell
    Butler
    Ronchi

    Ronchi can serve as both a replacement number 6 if Brownlie or McCullum get injured, as well as a replacement wk if Watling is injured. I don't like including Guptill, but I don't think Raval has done quite enough yet to warrant a test callup, and in spite of his recent performances, I still rate Guppy slightly higher than Redmond.
    Last edited by Bahnz; 26-03-2013 at 03:57 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    I can think of a list of Sydney Grade posters who would contribute a better average post than Bahnz.
    Maow like no one can hear you maowing.

  13. #7543
    International Captain hendrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    6,408
    Yesterday was the first time i'd seen Boult get reverse swing.
    That adds a lot to his credentials IMO.

    Happy with the declaration tbh. Great game.

    The only thing I think McCullum got wrong is that he generally went for inswing against the batsmen - i.e. he'd bowl Southee vs Prior and Boult vs left hand Broad (when they were both reversing it).

    Inswing is great against clueless tailenders but the English were smart about it - Prior just told everyone to get outside the line of off stump and they were safe.

    It would have been better to have a bit of outswing so they actually wouldn't know when to play.

  14. #7544
    International Captain wellAlbidarned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    away from the palms
    Posts
    6,315
    I think that was possibly more down to smart English tactics rather than McCullum tbf, Prior and Broad probably planned it out like that.

  15. #7545
    International Captain hendrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    6,408
    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    I think that was possibly more down to smart English tactics rather than McCullum tbf, Prior and Broad probably planned it out like that.
    well, it's nit-picking but there are a couple of times at the end of the over that he could have chosen Southee over Boult at the end of the over.

    Probably would have been over-management.



Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. 2013 Predictions
    By theegyptian in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 69
    Last Post: 31-12-2013, 10:09 AM
  2. Ashes Cricket 2013 Announced
    By James in forum General
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 28-03-2013, 05:53 PM
  3. The 2013 Ashes - which players will keep their place?
    By Howe_zat in forum Ashes 2013/2014
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 11-01-2011, 04:40 AM
  4. IPL Contracts 2011 - 2013 for the "stars"
    By social in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 42
    Last Post: 26-04-2010, 07:03 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •