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    At least Mcintosh could hang around for a bit, as ugly as his batting was, plus he is a natural opening bat. Wouldn't be the worst guy to bring back.

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    Would have Southee in ahead of Broad tbh given the former's massive improvement over the past year or so.
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    Would have Southee in ahead of Broad tbh given the former's massive improvement over the past year or so.
    You mean based on 3 matches against Sri Lanka and India, you'd take the guy averaging 35 over the guy who averages a chunk less, is also a far better batsman and has been just as good over 2 years even including the injured period?
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    I will call Nz for a series win in the T20's. 2 to 1. Bets?


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    England Last Bilateral Series H+A (eng first)

    H,A
    SA 2-2, 2-1
    AUS 4-0, 1-6
    WI 2-0, 3-2
    PAK 3-2, 4-0
    IND 3-0, 0-5 (1-1 current)
    SL 3-2, 3-2
    Bang 2-1, 3-0
    NZ 1-3, 1-3

    1) You can see why England got to number 1
    2) NZ the only team having won last series against Eng home and away (albeit both in 2008)

    NZ always seem to have the upper hand over England in recent times in ODI cricket. Not so in T20 (Eng won 5/6)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    You mean based on 3 matches against Sri Lanka and India, you'd take the guy averaging 35 over the guy who averages a chunk less, is also a far better batsman and has been just as good over 2 years even including the injured period?
    I dunno. Yes if you look at their overall record in the past 2 years, it's absolutely no contest at all. But hypothetically, say Southee had been picked for England against India, and bowled as well on as he did for New Zealand in India and SL. Would you be dropping him to bring Broad back into the side for the New Zealand series?
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    lol @ people trying to argue for NZ against SP. May as well try and knock down a brick wall by throwing watermelons at it.

    In any case, this should be a cakewalk for England, if you're as good as you say you are.
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    i really cant see us winning, but we should be able to knock up a draw because a) we will be batting on roads and b) its probably going to rain for a couple of days

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    I think New Zealand are more likely to win a Test than draw one unless it rains actually, because the bowling attacks of both teams are really quite good and New Zealand's batting is terrible. If it rains then that changes though obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I dunno. Yes if you look at their overall record in the past 2 years, it's absolutely no contest at all. But hypothetically, say Southee had been picked for England against India, and bowled as well on as he did for New Zealand in India and SL. Would you be dropping him to bring Broad back into the side for the New Zealand series?
    Indeed, Southee's form in the past 6 months has been on a different level to his earlier performances. He is a classic example of someone Bond was referring to whose test game had been badly affected by T20 & ODI cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theegyptian View Post
    England Last Bilateral Series H+A (eng first)

    H,A
    SA 2-2, 2-1
    AUS 4-0, 1-6
    WI 2-0, 3-2
    PAK 3-2, 4-0
    IND 3-0, 0-5 (1-1 current)
    SL 3-2, 3-2
    Bang 2-1, 3-0
    NZ 1-3, 1-3

    1) You can see why England got to number 1
    2) NZ the only team having won last series against Eng home and away (albeit both in 2008)

    NZ always seem to have the upper hand over England in recent times in ODI cricket. Not so in T20 (Eng won 5/6)
    Think that's purely a function of when the series were played - NZ were good at ODIs in 2008 and England were terrible. We suddenly stopped being good at ODIs around 2009 and they're arguably our weakest form of the game at present (and that's saying something).

    England now seem to be quite good at ODIs; there is something inherently wrong about that statement.

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    I'm looking forward to seeing Trott and Anderson do their thang. I just hope we can upgrade from losing disgracefully to losing after competing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I think New Zealand are more likely to win a Test than draw one unless it rains actually, because the bowling attacks of both teams are really quite good and New Zealand's batting is terrible. If it rains then that changes though obviously.
    Yeah our best chance would be a Bracewell-in-Hobart performance, to steal it out from underneath England. Come to think of it, didn't Mills do that last time round?

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    Anyway, England should and surely will dominate the tests.

    We should at least be more competitive if we get at least 3/4 of Taylor, Southee, Vettori and Ryder in the XI. And some seaming wickets where 250 is a par score plz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Anyway, England should and surely will dominate the tests.

    We should at least be more competitive if we get at least 3/4 of Taylor, Southee, Vettori and Ryder in the XI. And some seaming wickets where 250 is a par score plz.
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