***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by _Ed_

Perhaps unfairly, this is my enduring memory of Papps at international level:
Brett Lee HOSTILE BOUNCERS to Michael Papps 3rd ODI 2005 - YouTube

He'd need to have improved against the short ball.

Yeah, I remember watching at the time Michael Slater had just been saying he liked the look of Papps, then bang! A shame as he had been quite promising.

There is a 4 day warm up game before the test series between a NZ XI and England. Could have a head to head with Guptill & Redmond opening with Papps at 3. Also a good chance to try Neesham, Munro & Anderson.

[NZTailender]

Originally Posted by _Ed_

He rocked that hat. No other player in his generation pulled it off quite like he did.

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by NZTailender

Ah that's right. Who knows, that combo may work

These are all the partnership combos since the start of 2000 by players who are still playing:
MJ Guptill, BB McCullum 605 @ 28.80 2 century stands
JM How, AJ Redmond 373 @ 26.64 2 fifty stands
TG McIntosh, BJ Watling 286 @ 40.85 3 fifty stands
DR Flynn, MJ Guptill 232 @ 46.40 2 fifty stands
BB McCullum, TG McIntosh 204 @ 29.14 1 century stand
MJ Guptill, TG McIntosh 200 @ 15.38 45 highest stand
PG Fulton, MHW Papps 84 @ 42.00 1 fifty stand
JM How, TG McIntosh 70 @ 17.50 33 highest stand
MJ Guptill, BJ Watling 65 @ 32.50 1 fifty stand
JAH Marshall, L Vincent 55 @ 27.50 34 highest stand
MJ Guptill, RJ Nicol 35 @ 8.75 16 highest stand
BB McCullum, MHW Papps 34 @ 34.00 34 highest stand
JM How, MHW Papps 9 @ 4.50 9 highest stand
MHW Papps, L Vincent 4 @ 4.00 4 highest score

Flynn & Guptill it is! Actually I remember thinking in that 3rd test against SA last season they would be the openers for a while but Flynn ended up back at no5.

[ohnoitsyou]

Watling is a better keeper than Ronchi, says it all really

[Marcuss]

Originally Posted by morgieb

He's more of a New Zealander anyway than guys like Elliott, Wagner, van Wyk and Brownlie IMO.

Cheers Cribb.

[Marcuss]

Also, I know it's unusual for NZ fans to seemingly have an entire competent seam attack but you're getting a bit ahead of yourselves to say you've got the edge over England. I mean, c'mon.

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by Marcuss

Also, I know it's unusual for NZ fans to seemingly have an entire competent seam attack but you're getting a bit ahead of yourselves to say you've got the edge over England. I mean, c'mon.

Yep.

Whilst NZ's strength is overwhelmingly their seam bowling, they've got no depth at all and their best bowlers are a lot less consistent than Broad, Finn or whoever. Whilst Anderson is clearly a class above anything NZ have.

If they were fully fit England would have options such as Bresnan, Broad, Finn, Tremlett, Onions. They would all be first XI players in NZ's lineup, if not the best bowler.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Bring back McIntosh

Should never have been dropped, imo.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by jcas0167

Redmond got 83 at Adelaide then was replaced by McIntosh. I wouldn't mind seeing him get another go, or Papps.

Should never have been dropped, imo.

[Marcuss]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Yep.

Whilst NZ's strength is overwhelmingly their seam bowling, they've got no depth at all and their best bowlers are a lot less consistent than Broad, Finn or whoever. Whilst Anderson is clearly a class above anything NZ have.

If they were fully fit England would have options such as Bresnan, Broad, Finn, Tremlett, Onions. They would all be first XI players in NZ's lineup, if not the best bowler.

Yep, no doubt some people will just rubbish Broad and Bresnan now though. I'll concede Bresnan as he's been absolutely nothing like he once was since his elbow troubles but Broad is still quality and was playing with big injury niggles in India.

Let's not forget that this is just comparing the seamers though and the difference between Swann and whatever nuffie NZ pick to throw down some spin is tremendous.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Marcuss

Also, I know it's unusual for NZ fans to seemingly have an entire competent seam attack but you're getting a bit ahead of yourselves to say you've got the edge over England. I mean, c'mon.

Ha Ha, who said that?

England are a better team than NZ in every respect. By a wide margin.

But this tour thread is going to be boring without some bombastic, jingoistic hyperbole. So...

Southee is the best bowler in world cricket and he's gonna own you bitches.

[Marcuss]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

Ha Ha, who said that?

Vaughan said the "English seamers have superior skill levels to NZ"

Originally Posted by _Ed_

Yeah, I remember seeing that at the time. But while Anderson is obviously a class above, I'm not sure I agree with his assessment of the seamers' skill levels.

Originally Posted by jcas0167

I think with Southee back our seamers are actually on a par. The difference is their batting - particularly top order which features Cook who is an all time great.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Marcuss

Vaughan said the "English seamers have superior skill levels to NZ"

To be fair, neither of them said NZ had the edge.

If I was picking a combined NZ/Eng team for NZ conditions it would look like this:

AN Cook*
NRD Compton
IJL Trott
KP Pietersen
LRPL Taylor
IR Bell
MJ Prior†
GP Swann
SCJ Broad
JM Anderson
ST Finn

So only the one Kiwi in Taylor.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

To be fair, neither of them said NZ had the edge.

If I was picking a combined NZ/Eng team for NZ conditions it would look like this:

AN Cook*
NRD Compton
IJL Trott
KP Pietersen
LRPL Taylor
IR Bell
MJ Prior†
GP Swann
SCJ Broad
JM Anderson
ST Finn

So only the one Kiwi in Taylor.

Haha yeah indeed. The second opening spot and the two non-Anderson seamers the only real debatable picks I guess. The latter probably depends on whether you think Broad has declined or was just struggling with injury/poor form in India. I do think Southee is better than Finn but with him being so similar to Anderson and Broad, picking Finn as the third seamer makes sense. I'm a Compton fan so I'd pick him ahead of Root and McCullum but I'm sure you'll get some opposition to that as well.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Haha yeah indeed. The second opening spot and the two non-Anderson seamers the only real debatable picks I guess. The latter probably depends on whether you think Broad has declined or was just struggling with injury/poor form in India. I do think Southee is better than Finn but with him being so similar to Anderson and Broad, picking Finn as the third seamer makes sense. I'm a Compton fan so I'd pick him ahead of Root and McCullum but I'm sure you'll get some opposition to that as well.

Yeah, the Finn selection is the really debatable one since there are so many options... Southee, Onions, Tremlett. I'm sticking with Finn.

The problem I have with picking Southee in that team is that he was so bad for so long that I'm not convinced his recent good form is a complete turn around. This is going to be a big series for him to prove that recent form isn't just an aberration.