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    I can see why bringing in Ronchi might chafe a bit, him being an ex-Oz ODI player and all, but, as a Pom, I'm certainly not going to knock the selection of any dual-qualified players.

    NZT's stats there suggest he's in good nick, although the discordance between Munroe's figures and his test debut might suggest a note of caution as to their reliability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I can see why bringing in Ronchi might chafe a bit, him being an ex-Oz ODI player and all, but, as a Pom, I'm certainly not going to knock the selection of any dual-qualified players.

    NZT's stats there suggest he's in good nick, although the discordance between Munroe's figures and his test debut might suggest a note of caution as to their reliability.
    He's more of a New Zealander anyway than guys like Elliott, Wagner, van Wyk and Brownlie IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    He's more of a New Zealander anyway than guys like Elliott, Wagner, van Wyk and Brownlie IMO.
    That tattoo the tipping point obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    You can't have your keeper open the batting.
    What a load of rubbish, watling opened in the last 2 tests and did
    Just fine....


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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
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    Stats from this season
    Openers:
    A Redmond 640 @ 53.33
    M Papps 548 @ 68.50
    P Fulton 504 @ 72.00
    J Raval 380 @ 42.22
    H Rutherford 329 @ 27.41
    J How 275 @ 27.50
    T McIntosh 239 @ 34.14
    J Brodie 224 @ 32.00

    Other batsmen:
    C Munro 623 @ 124.60
    L Ronchi 441 @ 73.50
    M Sinclair 379 @ 42.11
    C Cachopa 357 @ 59.50
    N Broom 333 @ 37.00
    D Flynn 241 @ 60.25

    AR:
    T Astle 282 @ 56.40 - 2 @ 152.50
    J Neesham 275 @ 39.28 - 14 @ 34.78
    Think you have the wrong C Cachopa.

    Also, these are the seasons Plumket Shield averages only, rather than seasons FC averages. E.g missing the 'A' series v India 'A'. Doesn't make much difference but would push Rutherfords season ave up to 30. Amazingly, I don't think anyone else listed above featured in that series, what a dysfunction organization we have ...

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    Could Ronchi do a Bryan Young and turn into an test opener? Could Brownlie open? I want these guys in the team and don't want to mess with Watling after his successful transition to keeping.

    1. L Ronchi (want to play for NZ? Well, this is where we need help brah!)
    2. B McCullum
    3. R Taylor
    4. K Williamson (looking way too vulnerable at no3, but too good to leave out. Maybe even could move to no 5 like Michael Clarke)
    5. D Brownlie
    6. B Watling+
    7. Neesham/Munro/de Grandhomme
    8. D Bracewell
    9. T Southee
    10. B Martin
    11. T Boult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immenso View Post
    Think you have the wrong C Cachopa.
    It's Carl with that average, but I missed out the more in form of them which is Craig. He has 611 @ 67.88. Brad is averaging 20, if anyone is wondering too.

    Also forgot about Anderson. When is he expected to return? Possibly a better option for the AR spot than Neesh, def better than Astle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Bring back McIntosh
    McIntosh & Redmond LH & RH opening combo. Did we try that?

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    How long would it take for McIntosh to earn the right to be aggressive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    How long would it take for McIntosh to earn the right to be aggressive?
    Until he's facing the spinners and wearing the white floppy brim hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    McIntosh & Redmond LH & RH opening combo. Did we try that?
    Redmond got 83 at Adelaide then was replaced by McIntosh. I wouldn't mind seeing him get another go, or Papps.
    Last edited by jcas0167; 15-01-2013 at 04:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Until he's facing the spinners and wearing the white floppy brim hat.
    He rocked that hat. No other player in his generation pulled it off quite like he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    I wouldn't mind seeing him get another go, or Papps.
    Perhaps unfairly, this is my enduring memory of Papps at international level:
    Brett Lee HOSTILE BOUNCERS to Michael Papps 3rd ODI 2005 - YouTube

    He'd need to have improved against the short ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    Redmond got 83 at Adelaide then was replaced by McIntosh. I wouldn't mind seeing him get another go, or Papps.
    Ah that's right. Who knows, that combo may work

    These are all the partnership combos since the start of 2000 by players who are still playing:
    MJ Guptill, BB McCullum 605 @ 28.80 2 century stands
    JM How, AJ Redmond 373 @ 26.64 2 fifty stands
    TG McIntosh, BJ Watling 286 @ 40.85 3 fifty stands
    DR Flynn, MJ Guptill 232 @ 46.40 2 fifty stands
    BB McCullum, TG McIntosh 204 @ 29.14 1 century stand
    MJ Guptill, TG McIntosh 200 @ 15.38 45 highest stand
    PG Fulton, MHW Papps 84 @ 42.00 1 fifty stand
    JM How, TG McIntosh 70 @ 17.50 33 highest stand
    MJ Guptill, BJ Watling 65 @ 32.50 1 fifty stand
    JAH Marshall, L Vincent 55 @ 27.50 34 highest stand
    MJ Guptill, RJ Nicol 35 @ 8.75 16 highest stand
    BB McCullum, MHW Papps 34 @ 34.00 34 highest stand
    JM How, MHW Papps 9 @ 4.50 9 highest stand
    MHW Papps, L Vincent 4 @ 4.00 4 highest score

    Lots of combos, not much success. Only 9 century stands overall in 13 years (those include Richardson and folk).



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