I don't think anyone was ever suggesting that Nicol should be selected ahead of Ronchi.
Ronchi should definitely play ODIs and he should in the mix for the Tests. But if Ryder comes back then there's probably no place for him in Tests right now beyond first reserve. I'll sure he'll get a shot soonish anyway but it doesn't have to be right now; the middle order depth is suddenly a lot better. He's not actually competing against Nicol, Flynn, Franklin or Munro; it's Brownlie, Watling and Ryder who are his competition and they should be ahead of him as it stands in Tests.
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Tucker
Nicol isn't in the test side and will never play another test though, so I don't see your point.
Your comparison to Taylor and Ryder is null as well. Ronchi has been mini-Ryder in the Plunket Shield, so if Ryder returns and fails, Ronchi's odds might be worse. Taylor is the best batsman in the country by a distance.
Ronchi scores fast with proper cricket shots, but his style still limits where he can bat in the side without being a hindrance. He's limited to 1/2/6/7. Only one of those positions is available.
Lets assume all the rumours are true and NZ has a full deck when they play England. Who makes way for Ronchi in the side? And lets be realistic about it, so you can't drop McCullum or go in with two bowlers.
Vetorri to open!
God what a load of facepalm.
The Nicol comparison is to highlight the difference between a block/slog merchant and Ronchi.
I can't see NZ picking 5 bowlers (if we assume Vettori is a bowler). Also if by some miracle everyone is available then Ryder (if he's fit to bowl) and Williamson (who's about as big a threat with the ball as Vettori) are realistic bowling options. You don't really need 5 bowlers in that case. Better off picking the best 4 bowlers.
The odds of NZ having all players available AND picking 5 bowlers PLUS Kane and Ryder are astronomical.
Unless you want one of those blokes or Ronchi himself to open then there's no place for him right now. Dropping Brownlie or Watling after they performed in South Africa would be silly and the rest pick themselves, barring perhaps Williamson.. and I don't think you want to drop Williamson for Ronchi.
Are you suggesting Watling go back up to open?
Exit pursuing a beerOriginally Posted by Jimmy Neesham
The only way Ronchi fits is if either he or Watling opens imo.
And making Watling open for a guy who is just being a mini-Ryder in a competition where Colin Munro is in God mode and Cachopa can score a million hundreds despite no idea against short pitched bowling is dubious tstl.
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Watling is more an opener than a number 7. And Ronchi is possibly the best number 7 NZ have available.
With regards to Ryder I think 6 is too low. Unless he bats 4 or 5 you may as well just have him wherever is convenient - he'll be equally unsuited to opening, 3, 6 or 7.
Yeah if you want Watling to open then Ronchi plays. It's probably the top seven I actually think has the most runs in it too but I've become a bit of a Watling fanboy and it'd be so ridiculously harsh to make him do it that I'd only be prepared if he put his hand up and said he wanted to.
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