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    In certain conditions... yes.

    In all conditions, against top quality opposition... no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    In certain conditions... yes.

    In all conditions, against top quality opposition... no.
    So he's the bowling version of Graeme Hick, in other words.

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    I would say philanders success is due to having Steyn on the other end. The combination works well currently.

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    Good question . . . I have a few of my own but am feeling too lazy to start a separate thread for each

    • Pujara, is he better than Dravid
    • Junaid, is he better than Wasim
    • Nassir Jamshed, is he better than Saeed Anwar


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    You must really hate him. Why would you wish that on anyone?
    Well said. I actually wrote a complete post with something like that as the last line but then I deleted the whole post for I did not think this required a considered serious response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    I'd like to see him do well for a longer period, against a wider variety of opposition and in a wider variety of conditions before I'd rank him above Steyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    In certain conditions... yes.

    In all conditions, against top quality opposition... no.
    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    So he's the bowling version of Graeme Hick, in other words.
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Should not ignore the fitness levels either, I like how completely different they are but Steyn is a great athlete and is not going to develop the habit of missing ever other test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Also, claiming he was one of the best bowlers in the world prior to his debut is also completely ridiculous.
    Oddly enough Cribb's CPL stats rankings had him in the top 5 in the world before he played Tests.

    Was a bit of a triumph for his rankings that he dominated so heavily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    Should not ignore the fitness levels either, I like how completely different they are but Steyn is a great athlete and is not going to develop the habit of missing ever other test.
    This is looking increasingly significant. Must be questions about his endurance with that body shape...
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    Has Philander played a full series yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Oddly enough Cribb's CPL stats rankings had him in the top 5 in the world before he played Tests.

    Was a bit of a triumph for his rankings that he dominated so heavily.
    Yeah especially since there were no other uncapped players in the top 20 or so of either batting or bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Good question . . . I have a few of my own but am feeling too lazy to start a separate thread for each

    • Pujara, is he better than Dravid
    • Junaid, is he better than Wasim
    • Nassir Jamshed, is he better than Saeed Anwar
    Detect the sarcasm but my comparison isn't as ridiculous as yours. I've watched the 2 bowl together in series since Philander started and it's debatable currently who is the better bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Philander has been excellent and if you want to prove yourself as a batsman no better place than RSA against Philander. However he has got nothing on Steyn. What Steyn has done in this batting friendly era, no one has been able to match yet. He is already an ATG in my books.

    Philander has started out in his peak. There are so many other great players who could have been greater if they had started or played only during their peaks. Imran for one as highlighted above, Botham, Waqar, etc. The truth is Philander wasn't good enough before he was 27 to enter the RSA team .
    He was good enough he just wasn't selected. He was performing at a very high level domestically and it was a selection error. I personally don't see him being as effective as Steyn in flatter conditions but I think he is and will be better than Steyn in helpful conditions and so may have the chance to end up as good as Steyn..

    As for your point about peak, if you only play during your peak it also means you will get less wickets which will count against you when comparing against others.

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    IMO Philander is a slightly better bowler in helpful conditions, but the margin is small and overall Steyn is definitely the better bowler due to a wide number of factors.

    Saying Philander is only good because he debuted in his peak is questionable though, he'd been doing well in domestics for years. We don't know what his career would be like if he'd played tests in his early 20s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah especially since there were no other uncapped players in the top 20 or so of either batting or bowling.
    Not uncapped, but would Ramps tests have made an impact on his ranking back around 2011?
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