DoG's Test Team Ratings - Throughout History - Page 2

The Sean · 11-01-2013, 02:18 AM

Really interesting stuff DoG, fascinating to read.

I'm surprised by how (relatively) low the Australian team of immediately after WWII scores, given their extraordinary dominance from 1946-52 which I wrote about just the other day. The Australian team of 1958/59, for example, scores considerably higher and yet I don't think there'd be a single cricketing observer who considers the Australian team of the late '50s to be superior to that of the late '40s.

Days of Grace · 12-01-2013, 06:28 PM

Yes, it is a bit surprising. Man-for-man, the Invincibles were a better team, but unfortunately for them they beat a fairly weak England team, a minnow India, and a near-minnow in South Africa in the 1940s.

The Australian team of the late 1950s beat a very highly rated England team.

Daemon · 12-01-2013, 07:35 PM

Rating for India '08-WC vs WC-present?

Days of Grace · 12-01-2013, 08:34 PM

I have no idea what you're asking. The ratings are season-by-season, thus India is a lesser team now than they were back in 2008, if that is what you're asking.

Daemon · 12-01-2013, 08:43 PM

My bad, didn't read through the thread properly.

Burgey · 13-01-2013, 12:52 AM

Pretty fair effort DoG.

Days of Grace · 27-03-2013, 05:03 AM

Update after 8 teams have recently completed test series against each other:

South Africa 102.67
England 86.97
India 82.04
Australia 77.16
Pakistan 61.08
Sri Lanka 54.22
West Indies 49.84
New Zealand 45.52
Bangladesh 14.91
Zimbabwe 13.42

India have unsuprisingly moved into 3rd place at the expense of Australia. If New Zealand beat England yesterday, I am confident they would be challenging West Indies for 7th.

South Africa have opened up a 15 point gap over England, the largest lead any team has had on the rest of the field since the Australian team of 2006/07.

Overall, I think this is an accurate reading of where the teams are at.

uvelocity · 27-03-2013, 05:43 AM

yeah i think the margins are pretty good. although i'd have australia above india still

harsh.skm · 27-03-2013, 05:55 AM

So, the ratings for (1920, 21 and 22) and (1946, 47 and 48) were the same right?

So, had NZ beaten Eng yesterday, would that have been the greatest upset eclipsing the 1980 one?

smalishah84 · 27-03-2013, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Update after 8 teams have recently completed test series against each other:

South Africa 102.67
England 86.97
India 82.04
Australia 77.16
Pakistan 61.08
Sri Lanka 54.22
West Indies 49.84
New Zealand 45.52
Bangladesh 14.91
Zimbabwe 13.42

India have unsuprisingly moved into 3rd place at the expense of Australia. If New Zealand beat England yesterday, I am confident they would be challenging West Indies for 7th.

South Africa have opened up a 15 point gap over England, the largest lead any team has had on the rest of the field since the Australian team of 2006/07.

Overall, I think this is an accurate reading of where the teams are at.

I know India have done well to beat Aus 4-0 but I still don't think they are the 3rd best team going around

Coronis · 27-03-2013, 01:32 PM

So you think Australia should be above India.... even though we just got smashed 4-0? Sounds about right.

Cabinet96 · 27-03-2013, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smalishah84

I know India have done well to beat Aus 4-0 but I still don't think they are the 3rd best team going around

Who are then? Rankings don't necessarily show who the best sides are, they show who the best performers have been. Sure India lost three series, two very badly, but they were all against top 3 sides, and they still have a lot of good results in their bank, such as a 4-0 win against Australia just now, a 2-0 win against Australia in 2010 and a draw in South Africa later that year. Australia hardly have a flawless record themselves. Losing 4-0 to the number 4 side is incredibly damaging for a top 3 side in a rankings perspective, as would have been losing to England in 2010/11, who would have been ranked 4th at best at the time, I assume.

smalishah84 · 27-03-2013, 09:58 PM

I don't know I think India will have real trouble when they travel again. Only recently they lost to England at home so just one series win over a terribly troubled aussie team doesn't paint a proper picture. I might be wrong but I think we'll find out when India travel next. Where do they travel next? South Africa?

uvelocity · 27-03-2013, 10:13 PM

yeah sa, where they will be smacked like the naughty children they are

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Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,793	Rating for India '08-WC vs WC-present?

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Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	I have no idea what you're asking. The ratings are season-by-season, thus India is a lesser team now than they were back in 2008, if that is what you're asking.

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Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,793	My bad, didn't read through the thread properly.

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Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	Update after 8 teams have recently completed test series against each other: South Africa 102.67 England 86.97 India 82.04 Australia 77.16 Pakistan 61.08 Sri Lanka 54.22 West Indies 49.84 New Zealand 45.52 Bangladesh 14.91 Zimbabwe 13.42 India have unsuprisingly moved into 3rd place at the expense of Australia. If New Zealand beat England yesterday, I am confident they would be challenging West Indies for 7th. South Africa have opened up a 15 point gap over England, the largest lead any team has had on the rest of the field since the Australian team of 2006/07. Overall, I think this is an accurate reading of where the teams are at.

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Coronis U19 Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NSW Posts: 696	So you think Australia should be above India.... even though we just got smashed 4-0? Sounds about right.

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	I don't know I think India will have real trouble when they travel again. Only recently they lost to England at home so just one series win over a terribly troubled aussie team doesn't paint a proper picture. I might be wrong but I think we'll find out when India travel next. Where do they travel next? South Africa?

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