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    fwiw i was thinking about this again

    Age at which England regulars of the last 10/15 years played their last game

    Strauss 35, Collingwood 34, Harmison 30, Flintoff 31, Vaughan 33, Sidebottom 32, Hoggard 31, Trescothick 30, Giles 33, Butcher 32, Hussain 36, Alex Stewart 40, Gough 32, Atherton 33, Caddick 34, Hick 34, Ramprakash 32

    mean age is 33.05
    batsmen age is 33.9
    bowling age is 31.86

    Now look at how the team changed over 5 year period.

    Test -2007/08

    Cook, Vaughan, Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood, Bopara, Prior, Sidebottam, Harmison, Hoggard, Panesar(SL Dec 2007 )

    Cook, Vaughan, Strauss, Pietersen, Bell, Collingwood, Ambrose, Sidebottom, Hoggard, Harmison, Panesar(NZ march 2008)


    Test 2002/03

    Trescothick, Vaughan, Butcher, Hussain, Crawley, Stewart, White, Giles, Caddick, Hoggard, Jones(1st test vs Aus 2002)

    Trescothick, Vaughan, Butcher, Hussain, Key, Crawley, Stewart, Dawson, Caddick, Hoggard, Harmison(5th test 2003)


    Today Cook, Compton,Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Root,Prior, Broad, Swann, Finn, Anderson, (Panesar, Bresnan, Bairstow)

    From 2002/03 to 07/08 Vaughan, Hoggard and Harmison were the only 3 remaining. From 07/08 to 12/13 4 or 5 remain - Cook, KP, Bell, Prior,Panesar.

    Would suggest that from 2012/13 to 17/18 the most likely number remaining is 3,4 or 5.




    Test in 5 years time Cook(33), Compton(34),Trott(36), Pietersen(37), Bell(35), Root(27),Prior(35), Broad(31), Swann(38), Finn(28), Anderson (35)

    Given the data provided earlier I'd predict

    Cook, Finn and Root are the only three I would say are likely to be still playing in 5 years time. I'd imagine one of KP, Bell or Trott will still be going. My guess is Trott is still going- came to test cricket late and seems to just love batting. Bell will be dropped sometime in the future for bad form, and KP has been complaining about the schedule for the last couple of years so he's unlikely to make it.

    Compton probably isn't good enough and will be dropped well before 5 years. Prior has a dodgy achilles which he is constantly managing and a lot of promising wicketkeeping batsmen who will challenge for his place in a few years. Swann with his elbow no chance. Anderson is fit but not one english fast bowler of recent times has made it to 35.

    Even with Broad you have to doubt if he makes it another 5 years, given he's already got 5 years of regular cricket in all formats behind him and is quite injury prone and inconsistent with form.

    The team I selected though probably has the wrong balance with too many young players

    Cook (33), Chopra (30), Root(27), Ballance(28), Thakor(24), Stokes(26), A Davies(23), Overton(23), Finn(28), Kerrigan(28), Topley(23). Avg age 26.6

    It's much more likely to have a few more current lions players in place of the really young players. I'd suggest something like this

    Cook(33), Chopra(30), Trott(36), Root(27), Taylor(28), Stokes(26), Bairstow(28), Broad(31), Finn(28), Kerrigan(28), Topley(23) avg age 28.9

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    Steyn will be recognised as the great fast bowler he is, Philander may have burned out or still be averaging <20, and Kallis will still be there.


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    give 21yo smith a break. bradmans figures for his first few tests were comparable.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by M0rphin3 View Post
    Rutherford
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    Watling
    Latham/Ryder
    Ronchi (wk)
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    Wouldn't Ronchi be 37 by then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Wouldn't Ronchi be 37 by then?
    Yep, my bad.

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    RVD doesn't care about ability he just wants the Stokes/Foakes/Woakes combination to be playing.

    If Anderson and Steyn are still playing in 5 years time both will have over 500 wickets.
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    If Dernbach is still playing in 5 years time he'll have an E/R of 7+ in ODIs
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    1. Quinton de Kock
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    1) de Kock
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    3) Amla
    4) de Villiers
    5) Rossouw
    6) Faf
    7) Vilas/Duminy (depending on whether we push de Kock as a keeper or if we do what we did with de Villiers when he was young)
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    9) Steyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by theegyptian View Post
    Cook, Vaughan, Strauss, Pietersen, Bell, Collingwood, Ambrose, Sidebottom, Hoggard, Harmison, Panesar(NZ march 2008)

    From 07/08 to 12/13 4 or 5 remain - Cook, KP, Bell, Prior,Panesar.

    Would suggest that from 2012/13 to 17/18 the most likely number remaining is 3,4 or 5.
    If you'd picked the 2nd Test last time we were in New Zealand then you could add Anderson and Broad to the list of guys who are still around.

    FWIW I don't really see any reason why Jimmeh won't be around in 4 years time. Hasn't played T20 for 3 years and I expect him to chuck ODIs after the World Cup to prolong his Test career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    If you'd picked the 2nd Test last time we were in New Zealand then you could add Anderson and Broad to the list of guys who are still around.

    FWIW I don't really see any reason why Jimmeh won't be around in 4 years time. Hasn't played T20 for 3 years and I expect him to chuck ODIs after the World Cup to prolong his Test career.
    true but that would mean that only Vaughan remained from the 02/03 team that played in 08. It averages out at about 4 players remaining either way. And given that at around 07/08 england were at the start of a new cycle of players by 2018 I'd guess that they would be just at the start of a new cycle.

    It's only predictions and there is a lot more work that could be done on the statistics of career lengths - I've just briefly browsed some retirement ages.

    England players recent careers seem to be on average shorter than other countries.

    re Anderson. He could still be going given his fitness levels and he doesn't rely on pure pace. But rarely do international bowlers of any country go far past 35.

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