Solving the Watson conundrum - Page 3

howardj · 27-12-2012, 03:55 PM

Look at his record as an opener

We need top order bats

He gets inujured bowling

Conclusion? Pretty simple really - he plays as opener and doesn't bowl

howardj · 27-12-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Debris

You know that he averages more than both Khawaja and Cowan, right? Probably a lot more as an opener. And this is with his batting probably affected by bowling a lot.

That's right

He averages 44 as an opener, fields in the slips, and is our vice captain.

Cowan by contrast averages 34, is a nuffy in the field, and has no leadership role.

To say that he shouldn't be in the team unless he bowls, (and by implication that Cowan is of more value) is plain madness.

He always gets injured bowling, never batting.

Ruckus · 27-12-2012, 04:43 PM

Agree with Benchmark, except think it's getting awfully close to the time when he should stop bowling, or at least cut it down to no more than a handful of overs a match. As to where he should bat if playing as a batsman alone, I wouldn't be opposed to anywhere in the top 4. Not sure I'd want him opening again with Warner though. It was good with Katich because he would almost always play the role of the aggressor with Kat rotating the strike, but he is likely to have to take a back seat to Warner a lot of the time. And I'm not that confident in his ability to rotate the strike and play that role with as much success as he has before. Actually quite like the look of him at 4 tbh, so don't mind if he stays there for now. Probably a good thing for him to have Clarke there too.

AlanJLegend · 27-12-2012, 05:54 PM

I definitely think that in a perfect world (ie Australia in the late 90s/early 00s) Watson would be a gun ODI and T20 specialist who never needs to step foot in the test team. Unfortunately, as circumstances have it he is probably one of our top 6 batsmen. And even if somebody like Quiney would average 5 more with the bat, it's hard to justify taking that over Watson's contributions as a bowler.

It sucks about the constant injuries and apparent mental issues, because Watto is really a once-in-a-generation talent. We definitely need to look at either getting him to drop bowling and open the batting, or continue bowling at bat lower (perhaps 7 if Wade can bat 6?).

Dan · 27-12-2012, 06:38 PM

Yeah, an opening partnership of Watson and Warner doesn't fill me with confidence, especially given we have a problem of being 3/40 on a regular basis already. Cowan complements Warner nicely, even if he isn't the most talented of players.

Watson at 4 as a specialist bat is something I don't mind; but given our history of bowlers going down mid-Test, we really need a fifth bowler in there somewhere.

robelinda · 27-12-2012, 08:57 PM

LOL no way, Watson is injured AGAIN? That is hilarious. I didnt know.

Monk · 27-12-2012, 10:41 PM

Surely he is the most regularly injured cricketer in history?

FFS, what's wrong with these ****s? I've NEVER (read it again, NEVER) had a soft tissue injury, and I usually bowl 20 overs a day.

Harden up you weak pricks.

benchmark00 · 27-12-2012, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

Surely he is the most regularly injured cricketer in history?

FFS, what's wrong with these ****s? I've NEVER (read it again, NEVER) had a soft tissue injury, and I usually bowl 20 overs a day.

Harden up you weak pricks.

Reckon only Bond would rival him.

Spark · 27-12-2012, 10:46 PM

Yeah was about to say. Bond must've missed a sizeable majority of all the matches played during his career due to injury, even moreso than Watson

Spikey · 27-12-2012, 10:46 PM

how would we classify players who are done by 25 due to injury

Ruckus · 27-12-2012, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

Surely he is the most regularly injured cricketer in history?

FFS, what's wrong with these ****s? I've NEVER (read it again, NEVER) had a soft tissue injury, and I usually bowl 20 overs a day.

Harden up you weak pricks.

Watson is just too top heavy. Fast bowlers aren't meant to be built like powerlifters.

Arachnodouche · 27-12-2012, 11:19 PM

Least favourite player to watch in the current Aus set up. His batting feels rigid and one dimensional, and his bowling always carries a forced, constipated, stiff-limbed vibe about it.

Monk · 27-12-2012, 11:19 PM

FWIW i'm a similar build to Watto. Look the same with my shirt off....

Monk · 27-12-2012, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arachnodouche

Least favourite player to watch in the current Aus set up. His batting feels rigid and one dimensional, and his bowling always carries a forced, constipated, stiff-limbed vibe about it.

I actually love watching him bowl. Really enjoy it. He's a clever bowler. But his batting is ordinary to watch.

In limited over cricket he's great to watch, needs to smack it round.

Ruckus · 27-12-2012, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arachnodouche

Least favourite player to watch in the current Aus set up. His batting feels rigid and one dimensional, and his bowling always carries a forced, constipated, stiff-limbed vibe about it.

When he is in form, I think his batting is pretty glorious to watch.

The Shane Watson Cover Drive. - YouTube

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27-12-2012, 04:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
Ruckus International Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 5,760	Agree with Benchmark, except think it's getting awfully close to the time when he should stop bowling, or at least cut it down to no more than a handful of overs a match. As to where he should bat if playing as a batsman alone, I wouldn't be opposed to anywhere in the top 4. Not sure I'd want him opening again with Warner though. It was good with Katich because he would almost always play the role of the aggressor with Kat rotating the strike, but he is likely to have to take a back seat to Warner a lot of the time. And I'm not that confident in his ability to rotate the strike and play that role with as much success as he has before. Actually quite like the look of him at 4 tbh, so don't mind if he stays there for now. Probably a good thing for him to have Clarke there too.

27-12-2012, 05:54 PM	#34 (permalink)
AlanJLegend U19 Cricketer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 405	I definitely think that in a perfect world (ie Australia in the late 90s/early 00s) Watson would be a gun ODI and T20 specialist who never needs to step foot in the test team. Unfortunately, as circumstances have it he is probably one of our top 6 batsmen. And even if somebody like Quiney would average 5 more with the bat, it's hard to justify taking that over Watson's contributions as a bowler. It sucks about the constant injuries and apparent mental issues, because Watto is really a once-in-a-generation talent. We definitely need to look at either getting him to drop bowling and open the batting, or continue bowling at bat lower (perhaps 7 if Wade can bat 6?).

27-12-2012, 06:38 PM	#35 (permalink)
Dan Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,066	Yeah, an opening partnership of Watson and Warner doesn't fill me with confidence, especially given we have a problem of being 3/40 on a regular basis already. Cowan complements Warner nicely, even if he isn't the most talented of players. Watson at 4 as a specialist bat is something I don't mind; but given our history of bowlers going down mid-Test, we really need a fifth bowler in there somewhere.

27-12-2012, 10:41 PM	#37 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,550	Surely he is the most regularly injured cricketer in history? FFS, what's wrong with these ****s? I've NEVER (read it again, NEVER) had a soft tissue injury, and I usually bowl 20 overs a day. Harden up you weak pricks.

27-12-2012, 11:19 PM	#42 (permalink)
Arachnodouche First Class Debutant Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 800	Least favourite player to watch in the current Aus set up. His batting feels rigid and one dimensional, and his bowling always carries a forced, constipated, stiff-limbed vibe about it.

27-12-2012, 11:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,550	FWIW i'm a similar build to Watto. Look the same with my shirt off....

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