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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    The one reason he shouldn't be selected to tour England next year. That comes before you even look at his woeful record here or the numerous other options you have who are better than him.
    On the basis of previous poor records, you wouldn't have brought Anderson here last tour.

    Generally speaking though, I agree that MJ would not be near the team were the others fit. Nevertheless, it is pretty handy having a bloke around the fringes who has taken 200 test wickets, scored a test ton and can still put Sangakkara in hospital.

    He's just an enigma, Johnson. Everyone should just give up trying to work him out in any meaningful way at all. He's beyond analysis.
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    He's the fittest fast bowler Aus has so it's always worth taking him on tour. I can't see the rest staying fit for an entire tour. And he seems to do well when he isn't in the reckoning and then is called on to play the odd game.

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    The enigma of Mitchell Bloody Johnson !

    Third most experienced player on the team, 30 years old, played cricket all his life.

    On a hat trick in a test match ... noball

    Closing in on hundred against a modest bowling attack, batting with no's 10 & 11 .... takes a single of the first ball of an over to let first gamer No 11 face the bowling.

    To be fair KOK said something like love him and hate him.

    A bloke in the Age called him trash & treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    On the basis of previous poor records, you wouldn't have brought Anderson here last tour.
    Anderson had improved out of sight though so they backed him to take him that improvement across. Do we reckon Johnson has improved his bowling in the last couple of years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Anderson had improved out of sight though so they backed him to take him that improvement across. Do we reckon Johnson has improved his bowling in the last couple of years?
    This in spades. Plus Anderson is a thinking bowler, Johnson doesn't have a clue how he does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Anderson had improved out of sight though so they backed him to take him that improvement across. Do we reckon Johnson has improved his bowling in the last couple of years?
    Yeah that's basically why I think it's easy as **** to dump him even for the next test
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Anderson had improved out of sight though so they backed him to take him that improvement across. Do we reckon Johnson has improved his bowling in the last couple of years?
    Johnson hasnt improved any aspect of his cricket since his test debut

    That being said, I reckon Maxwell's debut is one of the most important in recent memory as if he proves to be a serviceable off spinning all rounder (doubt it btw), then we can carry MJ as a 4th seamer

    If that's the case, welll .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    HeeHee... I'm enjoying the whole Johnson vs Morkel debate. Like some, I can't believe it's even a contest. Morkel is considerably better than Johnson, imo.

    Ask yourself this, if Morkel was an Aussie and available to play in this current Test, would Johnson have been selected ahead of him?
    Morkel would have been selected but wouldnt have had anywhere near the impact

    Therein lies the conumdrum for Oz selectors

    Johnson is just about the most talented cricketer in the world today but only turns up every now and again and is **** in between

    I would never have selected him for Oz again and cannot believe that they could take him to England (damaged goods/ bowling style all wrong, etc) but how do you leave him out if he continues to do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Morkel would have been selected but wouldnt have had anywhere near the impact

    Therein lies the conumdrum for Oz selectors

    Johnson is just about the most talented cricketer in the world today but only turns up every now and again and is **** in between

    I would never have selected him for Oz again and cannot believe that they could take him to England (damaged goods/ bowling style all wrong, etc) but how do you leave him out if he continues to do this?
    This is exactly the point. Every chance that he has gotten this summer, he's grasped with both hands. Starc must be absolutely fuming right now because it is so very difficult to see the selectors dropping Johnson for Sydney (though Sydney really should suit Starc, particularly with the older ball).

    Johnson in his last two tests has taken 12 wickets (really 15 as he ended 3 innings due to injury) and has made an unbeaten 92. You really can't ask any more from any player. It's so frustrating though knowing that if we pick him again as a regular he'll likely take five wickets in the next three tests at an average of 45 and score 20 runs over his next six innings.

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    I can't remember who touted it but someone came up with a theory on how Johnson debilitates the other bowlers in the attack by making it impossible to nurture the ball and help it to swing.

    Last (Aussie) summer Hilfenhaus stared to get the ball to move a great deal more than in the previous 18 months, especially with the old ball, and it was the first time Johnson had been out of the side in that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Anderson had improved out of sight though so they backed him to take him that improvement across. Do we reckon Johnson has improved his bowling in the last couple of years?
    Yes but that wasn't the point made in the post.

    I don't know if Johnson has or hasn't improved because most of the improvement needs to be between his ears (that his action isn't very repeatable is a given), but the other blokes everyone are doing loads over have dined out on India and SL at home.

    The improvement I'd like to see in Johnson isn't necessarily him bowling at his absolute best more often (when he does that he's a force of nature); it would be to see his "off" days be about 80% of his best, instead of 3% of his best like they've been in the past. It's really impossible to know if he's improved going on a sample of two tests, and lets be honest, do we really want to find out if it means the likes of Patto, Starc et al aren't playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I can't remember who touted it but someone came up with a theory on how Johnson debilitates the other bowlers in the attack by making it impossible to nurture the ball and help it to swing.

    Last (Aussie) summer Hilfenhaus stared to get the ball to move a great deal more than in the previous 18 months, especially with the old ball, and it was the first time Johnson had been out of the side in that time.
    Yeah I remember that too. Bad seam release = landing the ball on the shiny side regularly = no swing for all the other bowlers
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    It was NUFAN's ingenious theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I can't remember who touted it but someone came up with a theory on how Johnson debilitates the other bowlers in the attack by making it impossible to nurture the ball and help it to swing.

    Last (Aussie) summer Hilfenhaus stared to get the ball to move a great deal more than in the previous 18 months, especially with the old ball, and it was the first time Johnson had been out of the side in that time.
    Reckon that is rubbish myself

    Take Hilf as an example

    He wasnt being succesful because he was down on pace and bowled the same ball from the same position on the crease every single time

    Against the Indians, he was fitter, faster, and had more variation

    State of the ball had nothing to do with it

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    reckon your post is rubbish myself

    you're unsuccessful because you post pretty bland trolling stuff every single time

    thread you're posting in has nothing to do with it
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