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    Would be licking my lips as an opposition batsman if I saw him named in the Aussie XI tbh. Would be time to fill my boots tstl.

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    I must admit at the outset I haven't seen a ball of the 2nd test so far, so he might be playing like Garry Sobers just now for all I know.

    However, based on what I've seen of his career up to the current test, the trouble I see is that his whole MO seems to be set up for inconsistency. Sometimes he can literally hoop the ball around corners with conventional swing (these occasions seem to coincide with his WACA appearances as often as not) but looking at his seam position I've no idea how he does it and I'm pretty sure he couldn't tell us either.

    As social said earlier, he is a mental lightweight and this seems to be in both the normally understood meanings of the phrase; statements like the Barmy Army hurting his feelings betray a softcockery that would have Merv Hughes turning in his grave (where he not, etc, etc) & his public statements don't suggest an overly deep thinker either.

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    Johnson better than Anderson, Zaheer and Morkel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Johnson better than Anderson, Zaheer and Morkel?

    I really like Morkel as a bowler but I dont think that there is any doubt that Johnson is better than him

    Morkel plays in the most seam friendly conditions in the world yet has no better record

    Plus, he is almost as inconsistent with the ball as Johnson

    Add in the latter's fielding/batting and the 2 cannot be compared


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    Nah, look, Morkel is the ideal foil for Steyn and Big Vern; it's not as easy as saying "Johnson's the better player", whether one agrees or not.

    If Johnson was good enough to bat #7 and be the fourth seamer, he'd be of value; he isn't, so he's not. Plus any side with Twatto has a better than serviceable 4th seamer anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Johnson better than Anderson, Zaheer and Morkel?

    Right now at least he's better than Zaheer and I think the OP was talking about Johnson as a cricketer rather than a bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Nah, look, Morkel is the ideal foil for Steyn and Big Vern; it's not as easy as saying "Johnson's the better player", whether one agrees or not.

    If Johnson was good enough to bat #7 and be the fourth seamer, he'd be of value; he isn't, so he's not. Plus any side with Twatto has a better than serviceable 4th seamer anyway.
    SA has just toured Oz and they arent a great attack by any means (funnily enough, Morkel was probably the best but that isnt saying much when they should've been 2 down after the first 2 tests having gone for 500+ in both matches)

    Johnson would do exactly the same job for them but with better batting and fielding

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    SA has just toured Oz and they arent a great attack by any means (funnily enough, Morkel was probably the best but that isnt saying much when they should've been 2 down after the first 2 tests having gone for 500+ in both matches)

    Johnson would do exactly the same job for them but with better batting and fielding
    Kidding yourself, surely.

    Johnson is one eighth the bowler Morkel is on a regular basis.
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    Haha I'm no Morkel fan but the idea that Johnson > Morkel is absurd, frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Kidding yourself, surely.

    Johnson is one eighth the bowler Morkel is on a regular basis.
    I think that it is obvious that I'm not MJ's biggest supporter but do yourself a favour and download some of Morkel's "highlights".

    He bowls a huge amount of dross on a regular basis

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    This question always comes up whenever he performs relatively well, and it's been a while since his previous display of utter ****.

    But we have to remember, he comes up with a display of utter **** far more often than is acceptable for a Test bowler, and his display of utter **** is far, far worse than a bad day from anyone else. Even when Hilf doesn't look like taking a wicket, he doesn't concede 6 an over.

    It's only a matter of time before order in the universe is restored and Mitchell Johnson bowls ****.

    Plus he's realistically not up to Test cricket on the mental side of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    I think that it is obvious that I'm not MJ's biggest supporter but do yourself a favour and download some of Morkel's "highlights".

    He bowls a huge amount of dross on a regular basis
    I don't need to download his highlights, I've watched him. Johnson is not fit to tie his laces.

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    We are talking about Ablie Morkel, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    I don't need to download his highlights, I've watched him. Johnson is not fit to tie his laces.
    Johnson has taken 200 test wickets at 31, averages 22 with the bat and is a gun fieldsman

    Morkel tas taken 165 test wickets at 30, cant bat and is little more than serviceable in the field

    What's more, Johnson is a world class ODI player

    You obviously havent seen Morkel play outside of the matches he has played in Oz because he bowls as much **** as any highly regarded "regular" (and that doesnt include Johnson btw, thank ****) bowler in the world today

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