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    but if your fast bowler is getting wickets cheaper than the spinner in those same conditions then wouldn't you opt for the fast bowler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    but if your fast bowler is getting wickets cheaper than the spinner in those same conditions then wouldn't you opt for the fast bowler?
    That was my argument for choosing garner over gibbs... also WI would only play a small fraction of their matches on pitches reall conducive to spin, but, for a side which would play most of its matches in the SC, a spinner is an absolute must... thats why youve gotta have Qadir/Saqlain imo

    SC team with no spinner just doesnt look or feel right imo

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    it doesn't feel right probably but if they can perform better without the spinner then the side is better than the one with a spinner

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    Getting too caught up with the specialist spinner debate. I too for a while was getting caught up with a spinner for the West Indies team, and that was because of how some would perceive the team with out a spinner. In fact though one should pick the best four bowlers , and unless one has a Warne or Murali of the modern era (a lot of the old spinners benifitted from conditions that no longer exists in world cricket and would probably average around the same 30 mark on covered wickets) at your disposal then just select who took the most wickets for the least runs from the fewest deliveries.
    That aside Mushtaq Mohammad is no worse that the other spinners and the four bowlers used are all proficient with the new and old ball and could take advantage of the last day pitch and Mahmood (like Garner) can play the role of workhorse while keeping the run rate low while taking wickets.
    Great attack which is more or less on par with some of the others selected and superior to a couple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
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    Getting too caught up with the specialist spinner debate. I too for a while was getting caught up with a spinner for the West Indies team, and that was because of how some would perceive the team with out a spinner. In fact though one should pick the best four bowlers , and unless one has a Warne or Murali of the modern era (a lot of the old spinners benifitted from conditions that no longer exists in world cricket and would probably average around the same 30 mark on covered wickets) at your disposal then just select who took the most wickets for the least runs from the fewest deliveries.
    That aside Mushtaq Mohammad is no worse that the other spinners and the four bowlers used are all proficient with the new and old ball and could take advantage of the last day pitch and Mahmood (like Garner) can play the role of workhorse while keeping the run rate low while taking wickets.
    Great attack which is more or less on par with some of the others selected and superior to a couple.
    Nah, spinners are nearly always necessary in a cricket team. That's why teams keep on selecting them.

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    would've gone with Saqlain and MoYo

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    would've gone with Saqlain and MoYo
    The problem with that is Saqlain is in no ways an all-time great player, it is bizarre that Pakistan haven't really produced an incredible spinner, but they just haven't. So it's a compromise which ever way you look at it.

    I prefer the world class bowlers, with MM giving you something, in the spin department.
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    Disappointed that there isn't a specialist spin bowler in the side as the contrast from one over to the next between fast and slow bowling often makes the likes of Imran and Waqar more potent than they really are - and vice versa. Puts the batsman off his timing, that sort of thing.

    But I can't argue with democracy so Mushtaq Mohammad is the way to go from here I think.

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    As expected Mushtaq Mohammad won hands down with 18 votes. I think that we have an excellent side so far with the batting order probably being;

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    03. Younis Khan
    04. Javed Miandad
    05. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    06. Mushtaq Mohammad
    07. Imran Khan
    08. Rashid Latif
    09. Wasim Akram
    10. Fazal Mahmood
    11. Waqar Younis

    It's a shame that Mohammad Yousuf couldn't make the side, nor Saqlain or Abdul Qadir. But the side is still strong IMO, inside the subcontinent and out. Wasim Bari was also unlucky but Lafif does add some extra batting strength which might be useful in the absence of Mo Yo.

    So there's only one last task to do - pick two openers. Go for it.
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    Openers are pretty straight forward

    Saeed Anwar
    Hanif Mohammed

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    This is easy - Saeed Anwar and Hanif Mohammed

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    Mudassar Nazar, and Hanif Mohammed.

    Never like anwar, for some reason.

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