Who can stop South Africa? - Page 2

smalishah84 · 17-12-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPrez

It's definitely far fetched for a SAer to predict their side will choke, isn't it smali.

against NZ, and that too at home in a test series. Yes it is

MrPrez · 17-12-2012, 11:59 AM

We drew with them last time we played iirc.

Yas · 17-12-2012, 12:10 PM

Am backing Pakistan to win a test when they visit SA, then get beaten to a pulp in the rest of the tour.....

SA obviously streets ahead of Pak but I can see the Pak bowlers having a gun session or two and winning a test off their own back.

SeamUp · 17-12-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPrez

We drew with them last time we played iirc.

You're speaking the biggest load of tosh in this thread Prez. NZL didn't draw with us.

Our sub-continent play has been pretty good for a while now. The best from outside the sub-continent.

Quite clearly the English team is the next best but we don't play them for a long time.

flibbertyjibber · 17-12-2012, 12:52 PM

SA will have to replace Kallis sooner or later, that will hurt them massively. I don't think that SA have as much depth as England but they do have more top stars than us and a better first choice side though we have about 10 spinners better than they do.

SeamUp · 17-12-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber

SA will have to replace Kallis sooner or later, that will hurt them massively. I don't think that SA have as much depth as England but they do have more top stars than us and a better first choice side though we have about 10 spinners better than they do.

I'm pretty confident we have good depth mate.

L Trumper · 17-12-2012, 01:10 PM

Only hurdle I can see is their home performances against AUS. But after 10 ashes tests in a row I am not sure AUS will really fancy touring SA. Apart from that, a tour to UAE/PAK or Home series against ENG in 2015/16 I think. So they are probably good for next 4-5 years. Having said that we have to see how they go with out Kallis, that would be a massive gap to fill.

flibbertyjibber · 17-12-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SeamUp

I'm pretty confident we have good depth mate.

Yeah Elgar is top class.

Woodster · 17-12-2012, 01:12 PM

Obviously with Kallis you lose two players in one, a world class batsman and a very serviceable swing bowling option that offers the side great balance. He's pretty much irreplaceable I would have thought, it just depends on how massive a hole he leaves.

SeamUp · 17-12-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber

Yeah Elgar is top class.

Just like Petersen, Duminy and Faf who have stepped in and done well outside our supposed top players?

Elgar deserves an opportunity and didn't Graham Gooch, Saeed Anwar and Marvin Atapattu all get pairs on debut ? Oh yeah they did.

MrPrez · 17-12-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SeamUp

You're speaking the biggest load of tosh in this thread Prez. NZL didn't draw with us.

Our sub-continent play has been pretty good for a while now. The best from outside the sub-continent.

Quite clearly the English team is the next best but we don't play them for a long time.

Fair enough. I don't quite know why I thought we drew with them last time we played. Was it SA vs Aus in SA that I'm thinking of then?

SeamUp · 17-12-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPrez

Fair enough. I don't quite know why I thought we drew with them last time we played. Was it SA vs Aus in SA that I'm thinking of then?

Yeah. A pathetic two match test series. Due to the Champions League.

Scaly piscine · 17-12-2012, 01:28 PM

Given South Africa's total lack of depth, Kallis retiring soon, and the fact that their batting is so reliant on 3-4 guys I would expect to see them randomly lose a series somewhere. In the past 2-4 years their random defeats have been spread out a bit so they've tended to get away with 1-1 or similar scorelines. Given they only really play short series it won't take much for them to lose a series somewhere.

Burgey · 17-12-2012, 01:29 PM

Lord Kitchener.

SeamUp · 17-12-2012, 01:36 PM

Given England's total over-reliance on South African schooled cricketers like Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott they will get away with scoring enough runs when not playing quality attacks. KP at 32 won't be a guy to play around till he is 36/37 as he will be worrying about being away from his wife too long and who knows what will happen with the ego next. A KPless England looks very vulnerable as we saw recently. Alistair Cook showed in the series against South Africa after his first knock that his old deficiencies can be attacked when up against a moving ball. The struggles in the middle order haven't been totally sorted. The two 'great' spinners have both been nullified by South Africa in their home conditions on our last two tours there. Jimmy Anderson is quality on his day but didn't really do much against us on our last tour there and before that.

Wachacha

See what I did there.

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17-12-2012, 12:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
Yas School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Fox Country Posts: 98	Am backing Pakistan to win a test when they visit SA, then get beaten to a pulp in the rest of the tour..... SA obviously streets ahead of Pak but I can see the Pak bowlers having a gun session or two and winning a test off their own back.

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flibbertyjibber Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 7,951	SA will have to replace Kallis sooner or later, that will hurt them massively. I don't think that SA have as much depth as England but they do have more top stars than us and a better first choice side though we have about 10 spinners better than they do.

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L Trumper First Class Debutant Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 870	Only hurdle I can see is their home performances against AUS. But after 10 ashes tests in a row I am not sure AUS will really fancy touring SA. Apart from that, a tour to UAE/PAK or Home series against ENG in 2015/16 I think. So they are probably good for next 4-5 years. Having said that we have to see how they go with out Kallis, that would be a massive gap to fill.

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SeamUp State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1,246	Given England's total over-reliance on South African schooled cricketers like Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott they will get away with scoring enough runs when not playing quality attacks. KP at 32 won't be a guy to play around till he is 36/37 as he will be worrying about being away from his wife too long and who knows what will happen with the ego next. A KPless England looks very vulnerable as we saw recently. Alistair Cook showed in the series against South Africa after his first knock that his old deficiencies can be attacked when up against a moving ball. The struggles in the middle order haven't been totally sorted. The two 'great' spinners have both been nullified by South Africa in their home conditions on our last two tours there. Jimmy Anderson is quality on his day but didn't really do much against us on our last tour there and before that. Wachacha See what I did there.

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