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    Says it all that Matt Prior is quite a good keeper in comparison to the rest around in international cricket at present and basically he is bloody ordinary when you compare him to glovemen like Russell, Rashid Latif and Healy of the 90's.

    As has been said above, standards have dropped as a keeper who is an all rounder by being a good bat is more important these days to most sides. Gilchrist was a freak and is to blame. Ok he wasn't an all time great keeper but he was still a good international standard one and would probably count as the best by a long way at present.

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    I've always thought of Prior as not being a keeping natural ala Russell/Healy et all. Its obvious however that he works insanely hard on it from what you see him of him training on sky and in interviews.

    James Foster is the last "real" keeper England have tried and his battling average of 25 was not enough to keep him in the side.

    Its been crazy to see near every international keeper struggle in England with the swing in the last few years (prior aside) you wouldn't have seen that in the 90's.
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    Yes you would. Keepers have always struggled keeping here first time around - swing past the bat is just generally alien everywhere else.

    Our biggest problem is the lack of keeping coaching - perhaps T20 may focus again on the importance of a keeper up to the stumps.

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    Standards have slipped because everyone wants a Gilly. The fact that he was a one off is apparently lost on selectors around the world. The continual emphasis on batting over keeping filters down through grade cricket and juniors and generates the attitude that you can't get picked on keeping alone. So that extra few hours you have are spent batting and not keeping to your teams bowlers in the nets.

    I can only comment on the keepers I have seen since I started watching cricket in 88 but Healy and Russell were stand outs.

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    Genuine question, would most of you guys prefer a top class keeper averaging 25 with the bat or a Dhoni standard keeper averaging 40?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Genuine question, would most of you guys prefer a top class keeper averaging 25 with the bat or a Dhoni standard keeper averaging 40?
    Depends what the rest of your batting line up is like as to whether you can "carry" that player or not. Personally i'd not be too bothered. The fact that Prior is a decent keeper now means it isn't really a problem for England but I think South Africa are doing it wrong in making de Villiers keep as his batting is so great when he hasn't got the gloves and he is ordinary with the gloves on anyway..

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Depends what the rest of your batting line up is like as to whether you can "carry" that player or not
    Yeah, good point.

    Personally don't think AB ****s up too often with the gloves to warrant Tsolekile's inclusion, but the moment SA find a decent spinner he should give them up imo. I'm assuming his batting isn't affected by the keeping ofc.
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    If you don't have faith in your top 6 then most teams are wanting a guy who can average 40 and not muck up easy dismissals. That being the case fans should be fine with hard catches being dropped and expect stumpings to be missed unless the batsmans a yard out and it turns so slow my Gran could catch it.

    If we had someone in FC cricket with Healys hands then I'd take someone who averages 25 and can build partnerships. Good keepers create dismissals and you need that with DRS around taking the ones away you used to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Genuine question, would most of you guys prefer a top class keeper averaging 25 with the bat or a Dhoni standard keeper averaging 40?
    If the side has a strong tail, probably the top class keeper, if not the guy averaging 40.

    I personally think AB keeping is a bad move, not because he's really bad with the gloves, but because it seems to be hindering his batting. In that case I'd rather they brought a specialist keeper in, even if they're only going to average 20-30.

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    Ramdin is a quality keeper, but also a substandard batsman, however WI are forced into playing him as they don't have any good batsmen/keepers knocking about. If they did he'd be gone in an instant
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    How is de Kock as a keeper?

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    Doesn't even keep for his domestic team when they're at full strength.
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    Ive heard he has lots of potential with the gloves actually.

    And to answer dong, it depends on yourntop 6 but as a standard answer, id taje the dhoni keeper.
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