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    After the top three England lacks a true Alpha male in the middle order and Hammond struggled againts quicks and short bowling in particular.
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    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Denis Compton was a wonderful player of fast bowling - his duels with Lindwall and Miller just after the war were legendary.
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    Interesting to note that 9 people out of those teams were knighted. None of them were out and out bowlers.

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    Unless it's happened posthumously in the past day and I hadn't heard about it, Hammond was never knighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    After the top three England lacks a true Alpha male in the middle order and Hammond struggled againts quicks and short bowling in particular.
    Erm.. Barrington and Compton are ridiculously good against fast bowling. The problem with england is not the top 5 but the lower middle order. Their 6,7,8 are comparably weaker than other sides as far as batting goes.

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    Compton scored 4 post war hundreds vs Australia none above a s/r of 42 . Of the other two either Lindwall or Miller was missing in action and he averaged 33 in Australia. Not what I would call ridiculously good againts fast bowling.
    He was indeed a great player but not a true alpha male top tier ATG batsman like a Chappell, Pollock, Tendulkar or any of the W.I middle order bats who could and often destroyed attacks and take a match away from the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    Erm.. Barrington and Compton are ridiculously good against fast bowling. The problem with england is not the top 5 but the lower middle order. Their 6,7,8 are comparably weaker than other sides as far as batting goes.
    Pretty much on the money. APE Knott was a very competent batsman against fast bowling and spin alike. However, I 'm not sure that he would get much support from Botham or Laker if fronting up to ATG bowling attacks. Someone like Procter batting at No.8 would make all the difference to the depth of England batting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    After the top three England lacks a true Alpha male in the middle order and Hammond struggled againts quicks and short bowling in particular.
    I don't think Hammond struggled against fast-bowling (?) I read that he rarely played the hook-shot, but that is not necessarily a weakness.

    Also kyear, it is quite likely that many of the pre-70s players (Bradman included) would have enhanced techniques if they wore modern helmets and protection. That is, they would benefit from the added confidence that such equipment gives.

    If Bradman, Trumper, Hammond, or Compton were to face Marshall, Ambrose, and Garner, then they would be suitably kitted out, and bat significantly better for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    I don't think Hammond struggled against fast-bowling (?) I read that he rarely played the hook-shot, but that is not necessarily a weakness.

    Also kyear, it is quite likely that many of the pre-70s players (Bradman included) would have enhanced techniques if they wore modern helmets and protection. That is, they would benefit from the added confidence that such equipment gives.

    If Bradman, Trumper, Hammond, or Compton were to face Marshall, Ambrose, and Garner, then they would be suitably kitted out, and bat significantly better for it.
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    Sobers or Richards? Would be fun to watch.

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    Are we speculating on what would happen if you stuffed someone from the 2000s in a time machine to the 1930s again?

    Because they would probably get arrested for their tats or conscripted into someones army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Compton scored 4 post war hundreds vs Australia none above a s/r of 42 . Of the other two either Lindwall or Miller was missing in action and he averaged 33 in Australia. Not what I would call ridiculously good againts fast bowling.
    He was indeed a great player but not a true alpha male top tier ATG batsman like a Chappell, Pollock, Tendulkar or any of the W.I middle order bats who could and often destroyed attacks and take a match away from the opposition.

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    So you've taken the "alpha male" quote from that article? Not sure how that makes it gospel.

    Compton's average in Australia was hurt by an awful series he had in 50/51 where he averaged single figures, which was a case of having a shocking run of form generally rather than a specific weakness to fast bowling. The idea that Compton wasn't a good player of fast bowling and isn't a genuine all time great is ridiculous IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Are we speculating on what would happen if you stuffed someone from the 2000s in a time machine to the 1930s again?

    Because they would probably get arrested for their tats or conscripted into someones army.
    Actually, it's the other way around as I can't watch Bradman bat unless the time happens to be my 'present' life-time. Although I could jump in the Time-Machine too I guess and go back in time, but that wouldn't be fair on other CWs who may also like to see the Don. We can't all fit, unless it's like a Tardus with heaps of room........
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    Not sure if Trumper would actually put any of the new clothing on - he refused to wear gloves even when they were accepted as a necessity for batting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    Erm.. Barrington and Compton are ridiculously good against fast bowling. The problem with england is not the top 5 but the lower middle order. Their 6,7,8 are comparably weaker than other sides as far as batting goes.
    Yeah fair point, though I think it's really the number 8 position rather than all three. Botham at his best certainly holds his own as a batsman alongside Miller and Faulkner in my opinion (though obviously all three are a class or two below Sobers) while Knotty was a very valuable lower order player too, while also being the best pure gloveman selected by any team.
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