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    Comparing the great fielders

    I've just read an interesting article in the latest edition of "The Cricket Statistician". I enjoyed it not only because it's interesting, but also because it makes me realise my life is nowhere near as empty as that of its author, Charles Davis, who must have spent an incredible number of hours going back through cricket history trying to find out the fielder responsible for each and every run out in every single Test match ever played. He has managed to succeed in 91% of all cases, 93% since 1945, and every single one since 1995. He has then gone on to produce a table that produces a total as well as a rate of run outs per ten Tests. The results astonished me

    Top total belongs to none other than Jack Hobbs, with 19. He also averages 3.11 per 10 Tests, much the highest of those with at least 10 run outs to their credit, with one exception, that exception being Chris Harris of New Zealand whose 11 came at thr remarkable rate of 4.78 per 10 Tests

    To put that in context the only other man with ten or more who got more than half of Hobbs' average was Brian Statham with 1.57

    In Hobbs time run outs accounted for between 4 and 5 % of dismissals, as opposed to around 3% this century, but it does still demonstrate that Hobbs must have a top class act in the covers

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    Good stuff, was it only run outs or did the article speak to cathes as well?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Wow. Where can I read it on the net?

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    Hobbs, and Bradman not long after, were known to be excellent cover fieldsmen in an age when few bothered to make much of an effort in the field. I assume that Davis went through a number of archived newspaper reports as the fielders responsible for run-outs have only been credited in the last 10 years or so, and even in Wisden were not always mentioned, especially in Tests played outside England.
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    I would be interested to know where the likes of Rhodes, Bland and Randall come in btw.

    And, I know it wasn't a Test but didn't Viv Richards run out three batsmen in the '75 World Cup final? Perhaps the greatest impact on a one-day match by someone who made no impact with bat or ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Wow. Where can I read it on the net?
    Sadly I don't think you can - you'd have to subscribe to it

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski View Post
    I would be interested to know where the likes of Rhodes, Bland and Randall come in btw.

    And, I know it wasn't a Test but didn't Viv Richards run out three batsmen in the '75 World Cup final? Perhaps the greatest impact on a one-day match by someone who made no impact with bat or ball.
    Randall and Rhodes weren't mentioned (I don't think, but I'll check tomorrow when I get home)

    Bland had less than 10, but his average was 3.33, so better than Hobbs. Bradman had 9 and his average 1.73

    One really odd one was that Boycott's was better than Gower's - both averaged about 0.9, but Boycs just a touch more

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Sadly I don't think you can - you'd have to subscribe to it



    Randall and Rhodes weren't mentioned (I don't think, but I'll check tomorrow when I get home)

    Bland had less than 10, but his average was 3.33, so better than Hobbs. Bradman had 9 and his average 1.73

    One really odd one was that Boycott's was better than Gower's - both averaged about 0.9, but Boycs just a touch more
    Boycs would be well ahead if we counted the run-outs he contributed to when batting.
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    Interesting exercise. The nature of run outs though makes me feel they can't be expressed statistically; in some ways it discriminates against fieldsmen who had such a reputation that you daren't leave your crease when it went anywhere near them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Interesting exercise. The nature of run outs though makes me feel they can't be expressed statistically; in some ways it discriminates against fieldsmen who had such a reputation that you daren't leave your crease when it went anywhere near them.
    Well apparently Hobbs had that reputation at one point, after a slow start. In fact, he and Rhodes seemed to start the quick single thing, and he realised the way to stop it in the field.

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    Running must have been ****, to help the course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Running must have been ****, to help the course
    What?

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    Interesting exchange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Interesting exchange.

    I thought my "What" was one of my more insightful posts

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