**Official** New Zealand in South Africa

[Flem274*]

Anyway, NZ to sneak a test Hobart style. South Africa will get a seam bowling surprise.

/tin foil hat

[Immenso]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

On Anderson, I remember Glenn Turner saying something years ago when interviewed at the Dilmah Tea Party about how he would've been picked for T20Is had it not been for injury. I'm thinking this was in 2009 or so, so it's no surprise to see him picked the minute he's fully fit. He'd done even less back then.

But it is a surprise, because Turner was a terrible selector, and we were supposed to have moved in a different direction from his "just thrown 'em in" approach. Anyone who could hold a bat or bowl a ball almost got a run during the Turner era.

[Mike5181]

Originally Posted by jcas0167

I'm pretty sure he was runner up to Boult in a fast bowling competition for school age cricketers. Not sure what impact his various injuries have had though. I think Neesham did well in one of those competitions too.

We should have those fast bowling comps during home test matches. Something similar to what Australia did in the South African series would be pretty interesting.

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by Immenso

But it is a surprise, because Turner was a terrible selector, and we were supposed to have moved in a different direction from his "just thrown 'em in" approach. Anyone who could hold a bat or bowl a ball almost got a run during the Turner era.

Turner was on the money in that case. Anderson did pretty well on the A team tour earlier that year (where Ryder was making his comeback from a hand injury).

The guy seems to be widely recognised as class. Nice endorsement here from JimmyGS:

In terms of pure see ball-hit ball ability? Corey Anderson by so far it's not even funny. Next best is tamati Clarke but few of you wouldve heard of him. Bowling, doug bracewell for sure.

[Flem274*]

He got the Doug Bracewell call in when not many would have backed him.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by jcas0167

Turner was on the money in that case. Anderson did pretty well on the A team tour earlier that year (where Ryder was making his comeback from a hand injury).

The guy seems to be widely recognised as class. Nice endorsement here from JimmyGS:

You're probably not aware of this but JimmyGS is actually Jimmy Neesham; hits the ball a long way himself.

[Flem274*]

Because what he really needs right now is attention drawn to his anonymous online opinions, half of which were probably posted when he was 16.

/somewhat hypocritical

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Because what he really needs right now is attention drawn to his anonymous online opinions, half of which were probably posted when he was 16.

/somewhat hypocritical

I'd be more sensitive about it if he stuck around, but he bailed so he can cop it.

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

You're probably not aware of this but JimmyGS is actually Jimmy Neesham; hits the ball a long way himself.

I figured that from your earlier comment I remember seeing him smash a massive six off Seth Rance in the HRV Cup final a few years ago and thinking he looked like a good player. Glad to see his move to Otago paid off.

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I'd be more sensitive about it if he stuck around, but he bailed so he can cop it.

Ha, he's not exactly going to hang around and offer his full and frank appraisal of guys he may soon be playing with is he. Anyway, well done to him for being named in the NZ T20 squad. Hopefully a first step on the path to greater things.

[straw man]

Only just realised Mark Gillespie missed out on the test squad to Martin and Wagner. Just a touch surprised. I wonder if Chris Martin is considered a positive influence on the young fast bowlers or something like that - it's the only reason I can think of that we continue to fly a 38 year old (happy bday Chris) who can't bat all around the world as second reserve fast bowler.

[NZTailender]

Chris Martin owns South Africa. Probs why he's going to make one last tour there.

[Bahnz]

I'd definitely pick Martin ahead of Wagner in the hypothetical event that we play 4 seamers. Would do a good job of keeping it tight while Boult/Southee caused havoc at the other end.

Anderson's selection reminds me a bit of Ryder's. Back in 2008, BFJ had done sfa in the previous couple of seasons, and there was absolutely no basis to pick him for the ODI squad (he averaged about 24 in list A cricket at the time). But the selectors, having seen him bat, just decided that there was no point in leaving him outside of the team any longer. It feels kinda the same for Anderson. Even though he's had only moderate success this season, the selectors have decided that his introduction to intl cricket has been delayed for long enough. I'm hoping he does OK. T20i's should be an easy environment for him to come in and just have fun anyway. Hope he doesn't bowl too much though. From what I saw of him in that t20 for ND the other week, he couldn't land the ball on a picnic blanket.

[Briony]

Originally Posted by NZTailender

Chris Martin owns South Africa. Probs why he's going to make one last tour there.

He didn't really do that well earlier in the year against them though did he?

Kiwi bowlers probably will like SA conditions but if the pitch is lively doesn't that mean it will suit Steyn, Morkel and Philander as well? It may get down then to which batting lineup is stronger.

[jcas0167]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

Anderson's selection reminds me a bit of Ryder's. Back in 2008, BFJ had done sfa in the previous couple of seasons, and there was absolutely no basis to pick him for the ODI squad (he averaged about 24 in list A cricket at the time). But the selectors, having seen him bat, just decided that there was no point in leaving him outside of the team any longer. It feels kinda the same for Anderson.

I think that's right. In both cases the selectors had known the players had the ability for a long time, but for various reasons (in Anderson's case injuries) they hadn't progressed. I hope he gets a go.

straw man wrote

Only just realised Mark Gillespie missed out on the test squad to Martin and Wagner.

Seems a bit harsh, especially given he was the best bowler against SA earlier in the year. Also highlights how much Southee and Boult have improved since then.