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    For England series:

    Guptill/Rutherford (depending on respective form before series)
    McCullum
    Brownlie
    Taylor
    Williamson (better equiped to handle Swann & Panesar than Brownlie)
    Watling
    B Martin (assuming Vettori is unavailable)
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult

    12th Man: McCleneghan
    Last edited by jcas0167; 13-01-2013 at 05:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    McCullum
    Watling
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Ryder
    Brownlie
    Ronchi
    Vettori
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult
    Looks a decent team, but:

    a) I don't think Watling should open until his position in the side is well established (at least a full year of cricket).

    b) It looks increasingly likely that Ryder won't be coming back anytime soon.

    c) Reckon Vettori's just about past it.
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    I didn't see much of the SA innings, how did Wagner bowl?

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    Sorry to bust your bubbles guys but the team we will field wont be anything along those lines. This isn't a troll i legitimately believe something like this will happen.
    Fulton
    Watling
    Williamson
    Taylor
    McCullum (he doesnt want to open remember)
    Brownlie
    Ronchi
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult
    Patel (unless Vettori recovers)
    The only problem with this is that there is no room to fit to fit Franklin in .


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    For England series:

    Guptill/Rutherford (depending on respective form before series)
    McCullum
    Brownlie
    Taylor
    Williamson (better equiped to handle Swann & Panesar than Brownlie)
    Watling
    B Martin (assuming Vettori is unavailable)
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult

    12th Man: McCleneghan
    You'd rather play with 10 players than select Franklin, Munro or Guptill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Looks a decent team, but:

    a) I don't think Watling should open until his position in the side is well established (at least a full year of cricket).

    b) It looks increasingly likely that Ryder won't be coming back anytime soon.

    c) Reckon Vettori's just about past it.
    You might be right about Vettori, but he stills offers a hell of alot more than Patel does. Martin does't fill me with confidence either, but a fit Vettori would easily be our best spinning option, and it would be nice to have him batting at No 8. Especially in home conditions where pitches aren't great normally for spin anyway.

    Re Watling, I dont think he should be opening either. He has moved away from the role with ND also, 5-6 seems to work for him. Why change if it aint broken (even though the rest around him is). Rutherford isn't ready for tests, would love to see him in the one dayers. Hopefully he can get a few nice scores in FC cricket to get his average back up. Raval has been in good touch, though ditto as Rutherford.

    If Vettori is fit and Ryder wants to smash England, I would like to see;

    McCullum
    Guptill.......
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Brownlie
    Ryder
    Watling
    Vettori
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult

    Milne
    Munro
    Ronchi
    Wagner/Gillespie (if he is fit and firing, which is unlikely)

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    nooooo not three seamers and ****ing vettori again. Dan has to play in a five man attack, he's too unthreatening. One thing in common with all our recent victories (yes, there's two) is a lack of Vettori and the prescence of four full time wicket-taking quicks. Not Franklin, not Munro, but four real bowlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    nooooo not three seamers and ****ing vettori again. Dan has to play in a five man attack, he's too unthreatening. One thing in common with all our recent victories (yes, there's two) is a lack of Vettori and the prescence of four full time wicket-taking quicks.
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    I think the difference is that now I'm reasonably confident in the three seamers that we have, they're not completely hit-and-miss like Gillespie and 12-months-ago-Southee and we're not leaving anyone like Boult on the sideline. It's still not ideal I agree and surely depends too on who that 4th seamer would be. A fully fit Gillespie might tempt me back to 4 pure seamers. Maybe even Milne though it's hard to be confident of his fitness.

    More likely, we'd prefer a bowling all-rounder. As there aren't really any of those I would bracket Ryder, Munro and perhaps Neesham together as the batsmen-who-bowl of varying levels - so the 4th seamer most likely to be one of them.

    Stealing Blain's team and modifying slightly:

    McCullum
    Guptill....... Flynn
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Brownlie
    Watling
    Vettori
    Ryder/ Munro/ Neesham/
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult

    Not that Ryder would bat at eight of course, even if he returns as a lower-order slogger. But that's the sort of role we need. Would like Watling to remain at six and Vettori at seven.

    With great reluctance I'd send Flynn up to open. Though have been very disappointed with him this SA series.

    Of course probably neither Vettori or Ryder will be there so that throws out the balance again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You didn't play four quicks against Sri Lanka tbh.
    True. We did have four genuine attacking bowling options though, so Astle can be considered an erratic quick. Point is we didn't play with the standard three seamers and one defensive spinner setup which has never really delivered much in the way of batting or bowling imo.
    Last edited by wellAlbidarned; 13-01-2013 at 07:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immenso View Post
    You'd rather play with 10 players than select Franklin, Munro or Guptill?
    Oops, Munro would slot in at 7.

    I guess no one agrees with my suggestion of Brownlie at 3 against England? I think Williamson would be better suited to come in and face Swann or Panesar. Also, I have concerns about Williamson poking at balls outside off stump.

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    The only way Williamson is going to sort out his problems outside off against the new ball is at 3, pushing him down the order will just paper over the cracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    The only way Williamson is going to sort out his problems outside off against the new ball is at 3, pushing him down the order will just paper over the cracks.
    Yep, exactly. His big problem at the moment is that back foot punch he plays; he doesn't get his foot across properly and isn't in control of the shot at all. It's Sinclair-esque. It's probably not an ideal shot in South Africa in general - he should probably be looking to either cut, play down the ground or leave those balls - but if he's going to play it then he needs to move his back foot further across so he's got more control over the shot. Even when he got bowled by Robbie P he was playing that same shot -vertical bat but square off the back foot.

    Running away from the problem isn't going to be good for either him or New Zealand Cricket; he just needs to just do some technical work on that particular shot. To me it just seems far too rare for someone like Kane who overall does seem to be suited to batting three and has the ability to do it to actually come through in New Zealand to waste. It's going to be a lot easier to find more fives and sixes. He just needs to work through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    Oops, Munro would slot in at 7.

    I guess no one agrees with my suggestion of Brownlie at 3 against England? I think Williamson would be better suited to come in and face Swann or Panesar. Also, I have concerns about Williamson poking at balls outside off stump.
    You realize that Swann or Panesar are probably going to be brought into the attack around the 15-20 over mark, so #3 is as likely to face spin as #5

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    Panesar's not going to be playing.



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