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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Haha yeah I didn't mean excellent as in ATG, just that I thought he was rated pretty accurately for what he acheived.

    I honestly don't know what people were saying about him at that point in his career as I wasn't exactly into internet forums at that age, so if that's what you're referring to we'll just leave it at that.
    People weren't saying much about him at all, which is part of the point. His Test bowling, at any rate.

    He was a pretty threatening bowler, which was reflected by his strike rate and economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    I don't think so. Chris Martin has had an amazing ability to stay on the park, but I don't rate him as being a better player for it. Just better at one aspect of being a professional cricketer.
    I do. For a country who struggle to keep fast bowlers on the park for a whole series, let alone a summer, Tommy's ability to stay fit and lead the attack deserves plenty of plaudits.

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    Come on guys get realistic we need a genuine batsmen at number 7. As if the 5th bowler is going to add much more than the occasional wicket, and if we need to manage our bowlers, Vettori is there to bowl long tight spells and the part timers can chip a few in as well
    Ideal situation:
    7. Watling
    8 Vettori
    9. Bracewell/Wagner/whoever
    10. Southee
    11. Boult

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    Which all makes me wonder... Who was better - James Franklin or Ronnie Irani?

    The Comparison

    • Both started out more as bowlers but injuries took their toll until they became more equipped at first class level to bat.


    • Injury prone


    • 'Characters' - who can forget Ronnie Irani's calisthenics routine? Or Jimmy Franklin's diverse range of facial expressions?


    • Both a little bit **** at ODIs


    • Both continued to be selected for international honours for no apparent reason.


    • Both have first class double tons (218 Irani, 219 Franklin)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNZ View Post
    I do. For a country who struggle to keep fast bowlers on the park for a whole series, let alone a summer, Tommy's ability to stay fit and lead the attack deserves plenty of plaudits.
    If you mean ability to stay fit and bowl better than the scores of other mediocre right arm medium-quicks in the country, then he definitely does need to be applauded. But then there are sometimes when the only reason he's playing is because he's fit, not because he's a great option. But then, that's not entirely his fault and I do respect him as a player for having being able to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    People weren't saying much about him at all, which is part of the point. His Test bowling, at any rate.

    He was a pretty threatening bowler, which was reflected by his strike rate and economy.
    He took five wickets for the match against both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Franklin also played lots of ODIs back then and his bowling was genuinely rubbish in those, which contributed to people underrating his test bowling.
    This is probably what did it for me.

    I always thought of him as someone who could take wickets, just that he was ridiculously expensive at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    He took five wickets for the match against both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe tbf.
    Both powerhouses in those days

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnoitsyou View Post
    Come on guys get realistic we need a genuine batsmen at number 7. As if the 5th bowler is going to add much more than the occasional wicket, and if we need to manage our bowlers, Vettori is there to bowl long tight spells and the part timers can chip a few in as well
    Ideal situation:
    7. Watling
    8 Vettori
    9. Bracewell/Wagner/whoever
    10. Southee
    11. Boult
    If I had to name our strongest possible team for the England series, It would probably be something like this:

    1. Daniel Flynn
    2. Brendon McCullum (c)
    3. Kane Williamson
    4. Ross Taylor
    5. Jesse Ryder
    6. Dean Brownlie
    7. BJ Watling+
    8. Daniel Vettori
    9. Doug Bracewell
    10. Tim Southee
    11. Trent Boult

    12. Martin Guptill
    13. Jeetan Patel
    14. Adam Milne
    15. Neil Wagner

    That's how I see it anyway. If you'd prefer Vettori didn't play shift Bracewell/Wagner to eight and play Patel. There's batting ability all the way down the order with Southee/Boult capable of contributing 15-20 runs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    If I had to name our strongest possible team for the England series, It would probably be something like this:

    1. Daniel Flynn
    2. Brendon McCullum (c)
    3. Kane Williamson
    4. Ross Taylor
    5. Jesse Ryder
    6. Dean Brownlie
    7. BJ Watling+
    8. Daniel Vettori
    9. Doug Bracewell
    10. Tim Southee
    11. Trent Boult
    I'd be pretty happy with this team, but I believe Vettori won't recover in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    If I had to name our strongest possible team for the England series, It would probably be something like this:

    1. Daniel Flynn
    2. Brendon McCullum (c)
    3. Kane Williamson
    4. Ross Taylor
    5. Jesse Ryder
    6. Dean Brownlie
    7. BJ Watling+
    8. Daniel Vettori
    9. Doug Bracewell
    10. Tim Southee
    11. Trent Boult

    12. Martin Guptill
    13. Jeetan Patel
    14. Adam Milne
    15. Neil Wagner

    That's how I see it anyway. If you'd prefer Vettori didn't play shift Bracewell/Wagner to eight and play Patel. There's batting ability all the way down the order with Southee/Boult capable of contributing 15-20 runs as well.
    The starting line up looks great, but theres no point including Milne against a team that consistently has 150 kmh balls bowled at them in the nets, and it would be good to get Chops in the squad as well, nvm his weakness
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Which all makes me wonder... Who was better - James Franklin or Ronnie Irani?

    The Comparison

    • Both started out more as bowlers but injuries took their toll until they became more equipped at first class level to bat.


    • Injury prone


    • 'Characters' - who can forget Ronnie Irani's calisthenics routine? Or Jimmy Franklin's diverse range of facial expressions?


    • Both a little bit **** at ODIs


    • Both continued to be selected for international honours for no apparent reason.


    • Both have first class double tons (218 Irani, 219 Franklin)
    Think you're probably more familiar with Ronnie Irani than the rest of us, which it looks like we can all be grateful for

    I see Irani is now a radio host and that may give him the edge over Franklin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    I'd be pretty happy with this team, but I believe Vettori won't recover in time.
    Yeah, probably agree. And, like it or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Ronchi forced his way into contention by then.



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