**Official** New Zealand in South Africa - Page 154

Bahnz · 04-01-2013, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiced

Why do they call Martin the "phantom"?

Coz he's there one minute and gone the next.

Meridio · 04-01-2013, 06:13 AM

Better effort in the second innings, but that's not really much consolation after being rolled for 45.

For the second test, Franklin has to go - off the top of my head Munro is the only other batsman over there, so he comes in. He'll be ****, but hopefully he can get something out of it. Martin's figures look alright this test, but he's way, way past it and looks completely innocuous - Wagner should come in. Patel's also had a **** test, but being the only spinner he'll likely be retained. Guptill obviously also awful, but there's no one else that could come in for him. It's a pity, I like Guptill and admire his attitude to the game, but he just hasn't performed at all since the WI tour.

Prince EWS · 04-01-2013, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meridio

Better effort in the second innings, but that's not really much consolation after being rolled for 45.

For the second test, Franklin has to go - off the top of my head Munro is the only other batsman over there, so he comes in. He'll be ****, but hopefully he can get something out of it. Martin's figures look alright this test, but he's way, way past it and looks completely innocuous - Wagner should come in. Patel's also had a **** test, but being the only spinner he'll likely be retained. Guptill obviously also awful, but there's no one else that could come in for him. It's a pity, I like Guptill and admire his attitude to the game, but he just hasn't performed at all since the WI tour.

Bruce Martin is also there ftr if you really do want to drop Jeets.

benchmark00 · 04-01-2013, 06:25 AM

Bruce Martin

If that isn't the name of a journeyman I don't know what is.

Mike5181 · 04-01-2013, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meridio

Better effort in the second innings, but that's not really much consolation after being rolled for 45.

For the second test, Franklin has to go - off the top of my head Munro is the only other batsman over there, so he comes in. He'll be ****, but hopefully he can get something out of it. Martin's figures look alright this test, but he's way, way past it and looks completely innocuous - Wagner should come in. Patel's also had a **** test, but being the only spinner he'll likely be retained. Guptill obviously also awful, but there's no one else that could come in for him. It's a pity, I like Guptill and admire his attitude to the game, but he just hasn't performed at all since the WI tour.

1. Martin Guptill
2. Brendon McCullum
3. Kane Williamson
4. Dean Brownlie
5. Daniel Flynn
6. BJ Watling+
7. Colin Munro
8. Neil Wagner
9. Doug Bracewell
10. Jeetan Patel
11. Trent Boult

Doubt Martin will be dropped.

Meridio · 04-01-2013, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Bruce Martin is also there ftr if you really do want to drop Jeets.

Ah, good point, had a feeling I'd forgotten someone. Don't know if it would make much difference, Martin's a better bat but that should be irrelevant when picking a spinner. Patel bowled decently in India and SL without ever really looking threatening, and he's gone wicketless here. Meh, I don't know. Spin not really our major problem at the moment.

nexxus · 04-01-2013, 06:33 AM

If I were the NZ board I'd be sending rendition teams to Jesse Ryder & Ross Taylor's houses to get them into the team for the 2nd test whether they want to or not. Probably also Vettori. "Injured, hell, you're probably still the better pick."

NUFAN · 04-01-2013, 06:54 AM

Assuming no one flies over from NZ to join the party I would make three changes to the team.

1 - Swap Flynn and Guptill around. Martin is a dangerous bat, give him a chance in a different spot and Flynn is very limited so is suited to opening. I basically think he can last longer than anyone else and buy making him open it means there are better bats in the middle order now to take advantage of the situation.

2 - Munro in for Franklin. I've only seen him play in the T20's and he looked nothing special, but looking at that Munro Watch in Hurricanes (?) signature and his stats mean you surely can't keep picking deadwood, so give the kid a go.

3. Wagner in for Patel. You've got a quick in your squad with so much experience in these conditions, so pick him. Williamson can bowl a couple handy overs of spin if required.

My NZ team for second Test
1. McCullum
2. Flynn
3. Williamson
4. Brownlie
5. Guptill
6. Watling
7. Munro
8. Wagner
9. Bracewell
10. Boult
11. Martin

Prensel · 04-01-2013, 07:03 AM

Might as well open with Williamson, seeing as he pretty much just did it for the last 2 innings and have Flynn at 3

SeamUp · 04-01-2013, 07:31 AM

Mitchell McClenaghan impressed me in the T20's. Good strong action and angles it across with the old ball to shape in. Surely a better option than Wagner ?

I think you will need a spinner at PE. Especially as NZL should show more fight and the game could go 5 days. So it has to be Patel v B.Martin scenario imo.

Rasimione · 04-01-2013, 07:38 AM

just saw the dismisal of Patel. That is disgraceful. for a paid proffesional to do that was shocking.As for Franklin, why is he still in the team? Get Munro in there. and while your at it, might aswell have a look at Wagner.

BeeGee · 04-01-2013, 09:30 AM

Luke Ronchi Will Be Given Chance To Push NZ Claims... | Stuff.co.nz

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Bowling coach Shane Bond said a recent diet of T20 had hampered Southee and Doug Bracewell and the format was ideal to try new blood such as the impressive Mitchell McClenaghan.

"T20 is a great game to introduce people into the environment but it's also a game where you can get into bad habits. We saw with Tim Southee when he plays a bit of T20 he's bowling yorkers all the time and it has an adverse affect on his performances at test level," Bond said.

"We have bowlers who I think have better skill sets for test match cricket so it's important to keep those guys fresh and bring in depth and pick and choose your series."

Thank god Bond is our bowling coach. I hope Hesson and the selectors listen to him and keep our Test bowlers away from the T20 squad.

SeamUp · 04-01-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BeeGee

Luke Ronchi Will Be Given Chance To Push NZ Claims... | Stuff.co.nz

Thank god Bond is our bowling coach. I hope Hesson and the selectors listen to him and keep our Test bowlers away from the T20 squad.

I like Bond. Such a good level headed bloke. Thought his chat before day 2 was pretty good. Wouldn't be the worst if he stole the main job from Hesson and brought in a specialised batting coach. Sure you Kiwi's wouldn't mind.

Flem274* · 04-01-2013, 12:33 PM

Well that was an unsurprising score to wake up to.

Congrats SA. The most dominant performance on day 1 before lunch I've ever seen and it killed New Zealand from the get go. NZ fought back but far too much ground was lost on day 1 to ever recover.

Kippax · 04-01-2013, 01:04 PM

What's that, No 7 becomes a mentally shipwrecked Wellingtonian spot for the rest of the season! (Y)

"42 off 151, BJ can deffo stay at six. I don't need that much time."

Jesse Ryder, "Look at All the ****s I Give" - YouTube

04-01-2013, 06:54 AM	#2303 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,765	Assuming no one flies over from NZ to join the party I would make three changes to the team. 1 - Swap Flynn and Guptill around. Martin is a dangerous bat, give him a chance in a different spot and Flynn is very limited so is suited to opening. I basically think he can last longer than anyone else and buy making him open it means there are better bats in the middle order now to take advantage of the situation. 2 - Munro in for Franklin. I've only seen him play in the T20's and he looked nothing special, but looking at that Munro Watch in Hurricanes (?) signature and his stats mean you surely can't keep picking deadwood, so give the kid a go. 3. Wagner in for Patel. You've got a quick in your squad with so much experience in these conditions, so pick him. Williamson can bowl a couple handy overs of spin if required. My NZ team for second Test 1. McCullum 2. Flynn 3. Williamson 4. Brownlie 5. Guptill 6. Watling 7. Munro 8. Wagner 9. Bracewell 10. Boult 11. Martin Last edited by NUFAN; 04-01-2013 at 06:57 AM.

04-01-2013, 01:04 PM	#2310 (permalink)
Kippax State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The "New Zealand" of Youtube cricket channels Posts: 1,373	What's that, No 7 becomes a mentally shipwrecked Wellingtonian spot for the rest of the season! (Y) "42 off 151, BJ can deffo stay at six. I don't need that much time." Jesse Ryder, "Look at All the ***s I Give" - YouTube __________________ Just requests (or incredible play from Weerasundara etc.) will now hit Plunket Promise. Or access the vault from here. Last edited by Kippax; 04-01-2013 at 01:09 PM.*

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04-01-2013, 06:13 AM	#2297 (permalink)
Meridio State Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, West New Zealand Posts: 1,038	Better effort in the second innings, but that's not really much consolation after being rolled for 45. For the second test, Franklin has to go - off the top of my head Munro is the only other batsman over there, so he comes in. He'll be **, but hopefully he can get something out of it. Martin's figures look alright this test, but he's way, way past it and looks completely innocuous - Wagner should come in. Patel's also had a ** test, but being the only spinner he'll likely be retained. Guptill obviously also awful, but there's no one else that could come in for him. It's a pity, I like Guptill and admire his attitude to the game, but he just hasn't performed at all since the WI tour.

04-01-2013, 06:33 AM	#2302 (permalink)
nexxus U19 12th Man Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Africa Posts: 268	If I were the NZ board I'd be sending rendition teams to Jesse Ryder & Ross Taylor's houses to get them into the team for the 2nd test whether they want to or not. Probably also Vettori. "Injured, hell, you're probably still the better pick."

04-01-2013, 07:03 AM	#2304 (permalink)
Prensel School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 78	Might as well open with Williamson, seeing as he pretty much just did it for the last 2 innings and have Flynn at 3

04-01-2013, 07:31 AM	#2305 (permalink)
SeamUp State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1,246	Mitchell McClenaghan impressed me in the T20's. Good strong action and angles it across with the old ball to shape in. Surely a better option than Wagner ? I think you will need a spinner at PE. Especially as NZL should show more fight and the game could go 5 days. So it has to be Patel v B.Martin scenario imo.

04-01-2013, 07:38 AM	#2306 (permalink)
Rasimione U19 12th Man Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pretoria Posts: 217	just saw the dismisal of Patel. That is disgraceful. for a paid proffesional to do that was shocking.As for Franklin, why is he still in the team? Get Munro in there. and while your at it, might aswell have a look at Wagner.

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