Should runs against India be discounted in statistical discussions?

[zorax]

Usually when we talk of great batsmen, we like to analyse their records without the likes of ZImbabwe and BD included.

Well, this year so far, India's bowling is the worst going around, second only to BD.

England in India 2012-13 : India's bowling not a new problem | Cricket Features | India v England | ESPN Cricinfo

Would it be fair to say that runs scored against Indian bowling (since the 0-4 in England up until now and probably for the foreseeable future) should be given equal treatment to that of BD's bowling lineup?


Discuss.

[Spikey]

That's some thread title.

[Xuhaib]

Zaheer is world class, Ishant had had his moments the two spinners ran through Windies and NZL earlier so by this definition the records against WI and NZL should also be removed.

Stupid thread imo.

[Satyanash89]

I approve of this thread and agree with the suggession. But i also think then that every Indian batsman should be rated higher coz they never get to feast on the ****e bowlers.

So Tendulkar, Dravid> Ponting, Kallis. I like this
Dont think its any coincidence that any good to great batsman almost always has mind-blowing stats against India.

[Daemon]

4th test in India's tour of England shouldn't be counted. Sreesanth, RP Singh, Amit Mishra, Ishant. What a lineup. Interesting to note that Raina had the best figures.

[Daemon]

Originally Posted by Satyanash89

I approve of this thread and agree with the suggession. But i also think then that every Indian batsman should be rated higher coz they never get to feast on the ****e bowlers.

So Tendulkar, Dravid> Ponting, Kallis. I like this
Dont think its any coincidence that any good to great batsman almost always has mind-blowing stats against India.

Ponting.

[Satyanash89]

Originally Posted by Daemon

Ponting.

has awesome stats against India... averages almost 55 iirc... hes struggled IN India, yes... not against India generally though

[Daemon]

ah yeah, misread

[8ankitj]

Originally Posted by Satyanash89

I approve of this thread and agree with the suggession. But i also think then that every Indian batsman should be rated higher coz they never get to feast on the ****e bowlers.

So Tendulkar, Dravid> Ponting, Kallis. I like this
Dont think its any coincidence that any good to great batsman almost always has mind-blowing stats against India.

Lara

[benchmark00]

I think runs made by left handers should be divided by 1.25.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Satyanash89

I approve of this thread and agree with the suggession. But i also think then that every Indian batsman should be rated higher coz they never get to feast on the ****e bowlers.

So Tendulkar, Dravid> Ponting, Kallis. I like this
Dont think its any coincidence that any good to great batsman almost always has mind-blowing stats against India.

hardly any coincidence.

-Kallis scored 3 100s in 3 tests in 2010/11, including his 1st 200
-Ponting scored a few 50s, 100 and a 200
-Cook now has scored 3 100s and a 50 in just 4 proper innings.

-Kallis hasn't had anything even remotely as good a series as that in the recent past.
-That was Ponting's only good series in his last 2 yrs and it wasn't just a good series for him but an excellent one.
-Cook hadn't had the best of yrs until he arrived in india.

Not even going to mention what the likes of Clarke, Amla did because they have been doing it against everyone.

so since around 2010/11, india's bowling has been quite poor.
It's coincided with zaheer's decline. (he missed alot of games around 2010-2011 and usually when he played he was really down on pace)

[Garson007]

Every generation of a cricketer ever has had opportunities to do some minnow bashing. I think it's utterly ridiculous to discount anyone from any statistic that's gained in test matches. It's ultimately part of the package of world cricket.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by benchmark00

I think runs made by left handers should be divided by 1.25.

left handers average more than right handers and it is not really because they are better.

Majority of the bowlers do worse against left handed batsmen as they bowl far less to them compared to right handers

The Numbers Game: The left-hand advantage in Sri Lanka | Regulars | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

the 1st table proves it.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Garson007

Every generation of a cricketer ever has had opportunities to do some minnow bashing. I think it's utterly ridiculous to discount anyone from any statistic that's gained in test matches. It's ultimately part of the package of world cricket.

yea

but the problem is that there are more ordinary attacks now than ever before. it's largely due to the quick bowlers being unable to remain fit for extended periods of time.

there's quite a bit of fast bowling talent around the world atm but they seem to spend more tests on the sidelines due to injury than on the field.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

left handers average more than right handers and it is not really because they are better.

Majority of the bowlers do worse against left handed batsmen as they bowl far less to them compared to right handers

The Numbers Game: The left-hand advantage in Sri Lanka | Regulars | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

the 1st table proves it.

Really? **** if I knew that I would've made a post about it or something.