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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    And the poo keeps on coming back.

    Sounds like you need to get rid of the stuff that is making the poo.
    That's fair. As long as the poo you are getting rid of is unhealthy.

    There is some poo that is perfectly normal to have on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezroy View Post
    That's fair. As long as the poo you are getting rid of is unhealthy.

    There is some poo that is perfectly normal to have on a regular basis.
    Yeah but if a person poos on his fellow employees then they generally get fired
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Yeah but if a person poos on his fellow employees then they generally get fired
    Pretty sure Hesson wants a Boston Steamer from McCullum TBF.

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    Hah, the old 'McCullum's faking it, he's using the gloves as leverage' chestnut is implied in the report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Yeah, but we already know that a lot of really **** stuff happened. We know that Hesson axed Taylor under unreasonable circumstances. We know that he, and the NZC lied about the offer of the split captaincy. We already knew that there were major divisions within the side (even if we didn't have names). We already knew that people within the NZ team unit had concerns about a culture of mediocrity amongst some players. This **** being perpetually dredged up every month isn't adding anything new.
    But no-one has been held accountable for any of this farce. That's the major issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Young View Post
    But no-one has been held accountable for any of this farce. That's the major issue for me.
    The national body's constitution is being rewritten and the board will be up for election later this year, so there is some accountability for the Taylor cock-up. Of course if your actually looking for Hesson's head on a block then you're **** out of luck. Yes he handled the captaincy switch appaullingly, but he's since delivered an ODI series win in SA and a test series draw with England. He'll be there for a while.

    Further, I don't see how a bunch of seemingly baseless accusations about how much BMac and co. like to get on the piss, and how they bully anyone who tries to work hard is really going to hold NZ Cricket to account for the Taylor situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    The national body's constitution is being rewritten and the board will be up for election later this year, so there is some accountability for the Taylor cock-up. Of course if your actually looking for Hesson's head on a block then you're **** out of luck. Yes he handled the captaincy switch appaullingly, but he's since delivered an ODI series win in SA and a test series draw with England. He'll be there for a while.
    Yep, while I think Hesson is a conniving, lying, two-faced ****, ultimately what will decide his fate now will happen on the park. So, while he's producing results, his job is safe. Doesn't mean this farce shouldn't be investigated to purge any lingering bad taste, mind. Of which there is clearly some.

    As someone said somewhere, you can sweep something under the carpet but it'll grow and grow and eventually trip you up.

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    Ian Smith joins the fray.
    I like the part that says Smith adds weight to the faction opposing the current NZC regime.

    He sure does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    The national body's constitution is being rewritten and the board will be up for election later this year,
    I would like to a source that verifies this, I have seen loose quotes about it but then when the article has elaborated it has looked like the board is adding a couple of positions this year and that is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    The national body's constitution is being rewritten and the board will be up for election later this year, so there is some accountability for the Taylor cock-up. Of course if your actually looking for Hesson's head on a block then you're **** out of luck. Yes he handled the captaincy switch appaullingly, but he's since delivered an ODI series win in SA and a test series draw with England. He'll be there for a while.

    Further, I don't see how a bunch of seemingly baseless accusations about how much BMac and co. like to get on the piss, and how they bully anyone who tries to work hard is really going to hold NZ Cricket to account for the Taylor situation.
    ...the constitution and the re-election were going to happen anyway: they had nothing to do with what happened to Taylor. While getting rid of the board will be a good thing for NZ Cricket: those most responsible for this debacle: White and Hesson, aren't going to be touched.

    And the accusations aren't "baseless." While I wish that the people who made them would "come on the record", we have heard these stories before, reported by other people who have verified sources within the team.

    This has gone on too long and we are tired of this crap. The line has to be drawn somewhere. From the sacking of Andy Moles to the "is Greatbatch the coach?" to John Wright walking away it is absolutely crystal clear there is something majorly dis-functional with the way NZ Cricket is being run and the Taylor affair is simply the one where we have to say enough is enough. So McCullum won a one-day series? Whoop de do. Taylor won three test matches in his short run: and each of those wins were fighing, down to the wire wins that could have gone either way.

    No-one was questioning Taylor's decisions while he was captain until after he was sacked: then all of a sudden the attacks came out of the woodwork. Lets not forget how vicious some of those attacks were, like the accusation from Richard Boock that Taylor was abusive, swearing and cussing out players in the dressing room. That accusation was sourced directly from a player in the team: a player that is probably still playing right now. Taylor wasn't just fired: his character was bought into disrepute by the very people he has to play with now. And right now he's playing in a team where the coach still won't talk to him.

    This needs to be dealt with and allowing NZ Cricket to keep pretending that everything is fine because "McCullum has done so well" is a mistake. We can't let the bullies win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
    ...the constitution and the re-election were going to happen anyway: they had nothing to do with what happened to Taylor. While getting rid of the board will be a good thing for NZ Cricket: those most responsible for this debacle: White and Hesson, aren't going to be touched.

    And the accusations aren't "baseless." While I wish that the people who made them would "come on the record", we have heard these stories before, reported by other people who have verified sources within the team.

    This has gone on too long and we are tired of this crap. The line has to be drawn somewhere. From the sacking of Andy Moles to the "is Greatbatch the coach?" to John Wright walking away it is absolutely crystal clear there is something majorly dis-functional with the way NZ Cricket is being run and the Taylor affair is simply the one where we have to say enough is enough. So McCullum won a one-day series? Whoop de do. Taylor won three test matches in his short run: and each of those wins were fighing, down to the wire wins that could have gone either way.

    No-one was questioning Taylor's decisions while he was captain until after he was sacked: then all of a sudden the attacks came out of the woodwork. Lets not forget how vicious some of those attacks were, like the accusation from Richard Boock that Taylor was abusive, swearing and cussing out players in the dressing room. That accusation was sourced directly from a player in the team: a player that is probably still playing right now. Taylor wasn't just fired: his character was bought into disrepute by the very people he has to play with now. And right now he's playing in a team where the coach still won't talk to him.

    This needs to be dealt with and allowing NZ Cricket to keep pretending that everything is fine because "McCullum has done so well" is a mistake. We can't let the bullies win.
    AWTA.

    We might be going well on the field now, but having an incompetent cricket board behind you means it is all going to go horribly wrong again in the future.

    Kind of like how we smashed Sri Lanka in a test on the back of them smashing us and then some **** decided that was the perfect moment for a captaincy change.

    Every player NZ has produced and every success we have had has come in spite of, not because of, NZC. The most recent one that springs to mind is shutting down the academy allowed our young bowlers to develop without NZC touching them.

    Before all this poop hit the fan I said Hesson actually has a lot of merit as a coach if the good qualities about him I had heard were true. I still believe this is the case. He strikes me as a meticulous and deep thinker about the game when it comes to game plans, but he also has some very poor areas and he needs a strong manager to pair with him to rein in his jobs for the boys mentality and call him out when he tells a lie to cover his backside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    he needs a strong manager to pair with him to rein in his jobs for the boys mentality and call him out when he tells a lie to cover his backside.
    you just can't have leaders that lack integrity full stop. anyway I don't want to get worked up over this - it is out of our control.



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