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    I hold no bad feelings towards McCullum tbh. I believe he has nothing to do with it (the decision). Hesson and the board want him as captain, he hardly would have bribed everyone to get rid of Taylor. I bet you he feels **** about the situation, would love it if he turned down the captaincy. The guys in the media reckon the same, he bats selfishly at times, but I haven't heard anything bad about him as a bloke.

    The board and Hesson have completely screwed this up. And then have just sat on thier fat arses and not said a word while the story gets thrashed in the media. Just true idiots.

    I want to see Ross say f*ck ya, holiday time. But from a fans perspective we need him there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    I hold no bad feelings towards McCullum tbh.
    Yeah, we've villainised McCullum a bit unfairly here.

    He almost holds the key to the only way we could get through this. If he turns down the captaincy and asks Taylor to come back we might get Taylor on the plane.

    He'll still have to deal with that nitwit hesson though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah, we've villainised McCullum a bit unfairly here.

    He almost holds the key to the only way we could get through this. If he turns down the captaincy and asks Taylor to come back we might get Taylor on the plane.

    He'll still have to deal with that nitwit hesson though...
    Yeah, I've been a bit guilty of bundling in McCullum and Hesson together as the villains, when really what's most infuriating about this is the shambolic way that it's been handled. I don't really believe that McCullum has been working to undermine Taylor over the past year, and if Taylor really has lost the confidence of a large portion of the team, then that's a cause for legitimate concern. But all this cloak and dagger bull**** is infuriating, especially since it's taking place in the middle of our season, the one time of the year when we actually have a few games scheduled and the general public actually pays attention to cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    McCullum becoming a real inspiration and perfect role model for all those kids at school level who demand to bat or bowl first and then take their bat and ball and leave when they get out.
    And scribbling all over his arm. Would he cover it up at a job interview? I would. And I would cover it up when/if I represented NZ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    I hold no bad feelings towards McCullum tbh. I believe he has nothing to do with it (the decision).
    I would bet my left nut and right buttock that McCullum is involved to some degree in all this. The bloke has serious form in this area.

    Who was at the center of the Moles ousting?.... McCullum.
    Who was in the middle of the controversy in Kolkata and lost the captaincy over it?... McCullum.
    Who all but admitted he deliberately failed with the bat in the first Florida T20 series because he was ****ed off with what was going on with the team?... McCullum.
    Remember when McCullum wanted to give up the gloves and the Team hierarchy insisted he continue as keeper?... Then he developed a back injury.... Now he doesn't keep anymore.

    The prick's like a spoiled brat who by hook or by crook has to always get his way.

    Gee, I wonder if there's a player in the NZ team who always wanted to be captain and was ****ed off when he didn't get it? And is always involved in backstabbing activities? And always gets his way?

    I wonder who is going to replace Taylor as captain?

    Same guy? Really? Must be a coincidence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah, we've villainised McCullum a bit unfairly here.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    I would bet my left nut and right buttock that McCullum is involved to some degree in all this. The bloke has serious form in this area.

    I wonder who is going to replace Taylor as captain?

    Same guy? Really? Must be a coincidence...
    Have to agree with a little bit of both of these.

    Although McCullum no doubt has a bit of an ego, I do believe he really wants the best for NZ cricket.

    At the same time, there's only so many times you can find someone standing next to the empty cookie jar with an innocent look on their face before you start to wonder...

    To my mind, McCullum would definitely have been undermining Taylor in the dressing room. It probably wasn't outright nasty and treating Taylor as his enemy - but rather positioning himself as more of a leader than Taylor, speaking his mind forcefully in the dressing room when he disagreed with Taylor, giving pep talks (which he probably is genuinely better than Taylor at), siding with Hesson over any disagreements, muttering with other players about tactics or decisions made by Taylor, holding little conferences with his clique from which Taylor is excluded, body language when Taylor is speaking etc etc. I don't think McCullum would have been able to help himself - some of these things are just who McCullum is, and in other circumstances these traits wouldn't necessarily even be a bad thing.

    I guess if it was truly a unanimous decision by the team that McCullum would be a far better captain than Taylor, then the will of the team would have to take precedence over Taylor's hurt feelings. However it doesn't seem so far that that is the situation.

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    OJFC.

    If McCullum truly was a good leader he would have supported Taylor and made sure he did have the full support of the dressing room.

    Not actively working to help Taylor's authority constitutes some degree of undermining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloakey View Post
    And scribbling all over his arm. Would he cover it up at a job interview? I would. And I would cover it up when/if I represented NZ.
    You ring Radio Sport sometimes, don't you.

    Incidentally, I've given up listening to talkback tripe on this subject. I'll take the learned opinions and passion in here any day

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    Dylan Cleaver has some good points:

    Cast your mind back to October 2009, when McCullum, the obvious heir apparent to Daniel Vettori, was stripped of his vice-captaincy under the most spurious of circumstances shortly after coach Andy Moles had been removed. After initially indicating the vacancy would not be officially filled, NZC then appointed Taylor to vice-captain behind closed doors, creating a rivalry that was not the players' making.

    Then, as if to deliberately increase the level of discomfort between the two and their sets of supporters, NZC chose to stage an off Broadway-type audition between the two for captaincy once Vettori stepped aside.

    Great idea NZC, even better when it became apparent that the selection committee (the sort of committee the ground-breaking Hood Report into New Zealand cricket stated should be avoided at all costs) had made the decision Wright wanted long before the Powerpoint presentations were made.

    Yet the same voices that somehow believe that Hesson is involved in a plot taken straight out of Machiavelli's handbook, supported Wright's right to install "his" man. Why did Wright get a free pass and Hesson gets harpooned? Probably because he looked every one of his years and had played at the highest level. Because we all know that the best players make the best coaches. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Although McCullum no doubt has a bit of an ego, I do believe he really wants the best for NZ cricket.
    When McCullum decided to give up the gloves and play as a batsman only, was that in the best interest of NZC?

    NZC didn't want him to give up the gloves. The team didn't want him to give up the gloves. The fans didn't want him to give up the gloves. The only person who wanted it was McCullum and he pushed hard for it.

    So they compromise and agree that he will give up the gloves in Tests and continue to keep in limited overs.

    Remind me again who kept wicket in the ODI series against Sri Lanka?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    When McCullum decided to give up the gloves and play as a batsman only, was that in the best interest of NZC?

    NZC didn't want him to give up the gloves. The team didn't want him to give up the gloves. The fans didn't want him to give up the gloves. The only person who wanted it was McCullum and he pushed hard for it.

    So they compromise and agree that he will give up the gloves in Tests and continue to keep in limited overs.

    Remind me again who kept wicket in the ODI series against Sri Lanka?
    Do we really need to go over this again? McCullum can't keep for extended periods anymore because of ongoing back injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    When McCullum decided to give up the gloves and play as a batsman only, was that in the best interest of NZC?
    Yes. Brendon's back is not up to Test cricket. Therefore if you forced him to keep the gloves, you would get a) an even further detriment to his batting b) an earlier retirement. Now I understand some people would say he's already worthless to a) and hoorah to b) but I doubt that was the case when he scored 200 in India without the gloves in his kitbag.

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    After going over this a few times, I keep coming back to Hesson as being responsible.

    Yes, NZC screwed up by mucking McCullum around with the vice-captaincy a couple of years ago. Yes, there's a chance he might be a more astute captain (although I don't think so).

    Still, you don't come into a team as a new coach and try to oust the captain - especially when he's only been in that position for a year. Work with him on his deficiencies, sure, but don't force him out of his position.

    Hesson has to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Do we really need to go over this again? McCullum can't keep for extended periods anymore because of ongoing back injuries.
    Back injuries that don't affect his batting or fielding in any way and are no hindrance to him being made captain.

    Yes I'm fully aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Back injuries that don't affect his batting or fielding in any way and are no hindrance to him being made captain.

    Yes I'm fully aware.

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