Ross Taylor likely to be shafted from the captaincy?

[Mike5181]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

Would love to hear the NZC logic (oxymoron) behind stripping Taylor of the T20 and ODI captaincy, but retaining him as Test captain. He's not a good enough captain for T20, but he is good enough for Tests?

I'll lose a lot of respect for Taylor if he just rolls over and takes this.

I'm sure I heard that White asked him to reconsider his role as test captain, might be wrong though.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

Would love to hear the NZC logic (oxymoron) behind stripping Taylor of the T20 and ODI captaincy, but retaining him as Test captain. He's not a good enough captain for T20, but he is good enough for Tests?

I'll lose a lot of respect for Taylor if he just rolls over and takes this.

If a compromise saves face for everyone like giving Baz the T20 captaincy then I am happy with that outcome. Tests is where the prestige of being captain really comes into it.

However as I have posted Hesson can't stay if there is any compromise that leaves Taylor in any power position - he has outwardly gone after Ross and I don't see them having a successful relationship. Mike if he is am average human being will be keen to prove he was right all along by eventually bringing Ross down. He won't give up.

[Flem274*]

B0nd 4 c0ach

[NZTailender]

McCullum becoming a real inspiration and perfect role model for all those kids at school level who demand to bat or bowl first and then take their bat and ball and leave when they get out.

[NZTailender]

Originally Posted by Howsie

Jesse Ryder - Angers me watching @RossLTaylor getting dumped on. Show him some ****ing support NZC

Obvs a big fan of New Zealand cricket....

Was waiting for him to weigh in. He is New Zealand Cricket, after all.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Mike5181

I'm sure I heard that White asked him to reconsider his role as test captain, might be wrong though.

Yeah, he did, and that's the way you do these things.

You want him gone as captain so you take away T20 and ODI (you can legitimately point to team performance as the reason) and ask him to reconsider his position as Test captain, hoping he will resign, in which case you can announce it was his decision to step down as Test captain.
If he doesn't step down, in a season or two, you can point out how well the T20 and ODI teams are going under their new captain, and for continuity sake, you can then give the replacement the Test captaincy also.

It's the classic corporate move, if you don't have the balls or guts to fire someone outright, then take away their power until they resign. If they don't resign, continue to undermine them until you can fire them and no one will care because they don't have any power or influence anymore anyway.

I know why they're doing it, I just want to hear them justify it.

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

Wonder if his comment will be held against him selection wise if Taylor is dumped.

Jesse and Ross go back quite a ways don't they in age group cricket.

Yep, they were flatmates together in their early CD days, before Jesse had his first meltdown back in the early 00's.

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Ryder was always going to support Taylor. They go way back, I believe.

[Hurricane]

I've studied politics in one course in university. They say that your true friends stand up for you when the chips are down and there is personal political damage to be suffered from saying something. So Jesse is being quality here.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

If a compromise saves face for everyone like giving Baz the T20 captaincy then I am happy with that outcome.

I don't want anyone to save face over this. I want heads to roll.

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

I don't want anyone to save face over this. I want heads to roll.

I hate to say it, but the only head that will roll is Ross'. NZC aren't going to face the ignominy of being forced to change coach again, so the only option they have left is to follow through with the captaincy change. They're just playing for time and thinking of how best to present this to the public.

[Mike5181]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

Yeah, he did, and that's the way you do these things.

You want him gone as captain so you take away T20 and ODI (you can legitimately point to team performance as the reason) and ask him to reconsider his position as Test captain, hoping he will resign, in which case you can announce it was his decision to step down as Test captain.
If he doesn't step down, in a season or two, you can point out how well the T20 and ODI teams are going under their new captain, and for continuity sake, you can then give the replacement the Test captaincy also.

It's the classic corporate move, if you don't have the balls or guts to fire someone outright, then take away their power until they resign. If they don't resign, continue to undermine them until you can fire them and no one will care because they don't have any power or influence anymore anyway.

I know why they're doing it, I just want to hear them justify it.

To be fair, if results improved in T20s/ODIs with McCullum as captain, that would be a legitimate reason to give him the test captaincy.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

I don't want anyone to save face over this. I want heads to roll.

the ineptitude starts at the very top. So who will be the person to clean house?

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Originally Posted by Mike5181

To be fair, if results improved in T20s/ODIs with McCullum as captain, that would be a legitimate reason to give him the test captaincy.

[Flem274*]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

I hate to say it, but the only head that will roll is Ross'. NZC aren't go face the ignominy of being forced to change coach again, so the only option they have left is to follow through with the captaincy change. They're just playing for time and thinking of how best to present this to the public.

B0ndy
Hunty
Sidd0nzy

Buchanan could even man up.

I want Littlejohn out. Pie chart man can't even read his own damn charts properly if he supports this.

Originally Posted by Mike5181

To be fair, if results improved in T20s/ODIs with McCullum as captain, that would be a legitimate reason to give him the test captaincy.