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Starc vs Boult - who will have the better career?
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AndyZaltzHair
Hall of Fame Member
have seen much of Boult against W.I., India and Sri Lanka series than Starc, atm I would say Boult and he gets this beautiful shape away from LH. Boult probably will be more successful in the long run but as already Xuhaib said Starc has got more x factor in him, it will be really interesting to see how they stand out after playing reasonable amount of matches.
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Flem274*
123/5
This post might be a bit long so first I'll address Boult's competition then have a fap over Starc.
I'm not sure where the idea has come from in this thread that Boult has no competition. With due respect to our overseas voters, if Boult mucks around he will be out on his backside in favour of the left armers Wagner, Wheeler or maybe even my mate Mitch M if the selectors feel like a Boulter.
Wagner many of you will have seen, and he's lethal with the moving ball but fades once it wears off. Wheeler imo is better, with the swing and control of Boult but not quite the pace. He's 133 - 137kph compared to Boult's 135-143kph. McClenaghan is a bouncy genuine quick but not as accomplished as the other two. He also specialises in ripping into people on the internet who don't rate him when his resident spy SteveNZ tips them off.
Or we could just pick one of the right armers, but with a few left young armers around dominating the Shield we would be mad not to pick one.
So yeah, Boult is the best of our left armers but could easily end up sidelined if he completely loses the plot. He and Starc have a lot to play for because quite rightly dross from either won't be tolerated for very long from their respective selectors.
On Starc - I've had a bit more of a look in his subsequent spells and while his pace wasn't especially quick, he was quick enough and the action just looks so easy for him. He and that headcase Johnson are great examples to show young left armers of what to do and what not to do. The WACA pitch is made for Starc and his bounce as well. Will definitely keep test batsmen on their toes. Overall I found the way he bowled to be very professional. So many youngsters his age pick up a few early wickets against big name batsmen then proceed to get overexcited and lose the plot. He didn't, and full credit to him.
I'm not sure where the idea has come from in this thread that Boult has no competition. With due respect to our overseas voters, if Boult mucks around he will be out on his backside in favour of the left armers Wagner, Wheeler or maybe even my mate Mitch M if the selectors feel like a Boulter.
Wagner many of you will have seen, and he's lethal with the moving ball but fades once it wears off. Wheeler imo is better, with the swing and control of Boult but not quite the pace. He's 133 - 137kph compared to Boult's 135-143kph. McClenaghan is a bouncy genuine quick but not as accomplished as the other two. He also specialises in ripping into people on the internet who don't rate him when his resident spy SteveNZ tips them off.
Or we could just pick one of the right armers, but with a few left young armers around dominating the Shield we would be mad not to pick one.
So yeah, Boult is the best of our left armers but could easily end up sidelined if he completely loses the plot. He and Starc have a lot to play for because quite rightly dross from either won't be tolerated for very long from their respective selectors.
On Starc - I've had a bit more of a look in his subsequent spells and while his pace wasn't especially quick, he was quick enough and the action just looks so easy for him. He and that headcase Johnson are great examples to show young left armers of what to do and what not to do. The WACA pitch is made for Starc and his bounce as well. Will definitely keep test batsmen on their toes. Overall I found the way he bowled to be very professional. So many youngsters his age pick up a few early wickets against big name batsmen then proceed to get overexcited and lose the plot. He didn't, and full credit to him.
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Howsie
International Captain
I reckon Boult is the better of the two right now. He's more consistant, moves the ball both ways and bowls a more attacking length. Pace wise they're about the same, mid to late 130's with the abiltiy to crank it into the 140's with good rhythm. Starc with his height gets a lot more bounce however.
My only concern with Boult is how well his body will hold up over the next few years. He's not the biggest lad and while their is nothing wrong with his action he still seems to be putting a lot of strain into it to achieve the pace he has. Starc on the other hand looks rather effortless with his. Boult's already had one serious back injury that put him out of the game for almost two years, you'd hate to see him go down again because of the amount of cricket he's likely to play for NZ over the next couple of years.
My only concern with Boult is how well his body will hold up over the next few years. He's not the biggest lad and while their is nothing wrong with his action he still seems to be putting a lot of strain into it to achieve the pace he has. Starc on the other hand looks rather effortless with his. Boult's already had one serious back injury that put him out of the game for almost two years, you'd hate to see him go down again because of the amount of cricket he's likely to play for NZ over the next couple of years.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Not sure if McClenaghan is any quicker than Boult to be honest. Was only clocking mid 130's at the stadium a couple of weeks ago.McClenaghan is a bouncy genuine quick but not as accomplished as the other two. He also specialises in ripping into people on the internet who don't rate him when his resident spy SteveNZ tips them off.
Yeah I fear for Boult's fitness as well. Bowlers are meant to become stronger and less injury prone once they hit 23+ though, so I'm hoping that Boulteh will turn out alright. There's still healthy competition for the ODI bowling spaces, so I wouldn't mind him missing a decent portion of the limited overs stuff in the next couple of years.
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Flem274*
123/5
itstl. looks fast on footage, and every man and his dog insists he's rapid.
Next televised game is my lot v your lot and we need to get Mathieson in front of the speed gun, because he looks genuinely terrifying when he gets it right. Potentially the best quick in the country, but we'll take that to the domestic thread.
uvelocity
International Coach
have only seen boult in that test that never happened in taswegia, and I don't remember anything of him (probably because it never happened)
but starc is the real deal, 300+ wickets @ 25 good, so boult better be good or play at or below the hobart parallel for most of his career if he wants to compete
but starc is the real deal, 300+ wickets @ 25 good, so boult better be good or play at or below the hobart parallel for most of his career if he wants to compete
tooextracool
International Coach
My feelings on Starc haven't changed much since first watching him bowl. Extremely talented though it is way too early for him to be playing test cricket. He strikes me as someone who is still learning his trade, though of course if Australia are able to sneak him into their test side and get away without being too badly effected then this is very good experience for him.
Boult is quite clearly the better bowler at present, however one fears that he may suffer from the New Zealand curse that has hit virtually every one of their quality bowlers since Richard Hadlee last strapped up his boots.
Boult is quite clearly the better bowler at present, however one fears that he may suffer from the New Zealand curse that has hit virtually every one of their quality bowlers since Richard Hadlee last strapped up his boots.
doesitmatter
U19 Cricketer
Sometimes or almost always success of a bowler depends on who is bowling at the other end or the other bowlers in the team as well..in that regard Starc has a greater chance of success but i what i see of Boult in SC(Achilles heel of all FB's) he is as talented as Starc or more ..time will tell
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Days of Grace
International Captain
Well on today's evidence...
flibbertyjibber
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Boult wins as Starc won't play again.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
cough starc. new johnson. excellent when conditions are in favour and rubbish at all other times.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Boult bowled his fair share of pies in the 2nd innings of the lost test at Bangalore.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
If anything I'd say that it's Starc's plan B which is more or less non-existent. He's 800ft tall, sure, but his action doesn't really exploit that - he's very much an "along the pitch" bowler from what I've seen. Boult has shown an ability to get the ball to jag around and hold up in the surface as well when the swing isn't there.
Flem274*
123/5
I want to see Starc again on something that isn't the WACA, because all I remember from the Gabba is that hilarious couple of overs to Marto and I both don't think it does him justice and I would be interested to see the difference in bounce. We've just watched Boult bowl on the Sri Lankan version of road. We should be stoked the seamers in that match didn't suffer from the ball pitching and rolling.
I think Starc can be an excellent bowler if he finds his radar, but that's like saying Chris Pringle could have been a world class bowler if he bowled 150kph. It's easier said than done.
But hey, I don't expect there to be a winner in this thread for a long time yet because while it's evident Boult is easily the better bowler right now, they both have 10-15 years of test cricket ahead. They could both suck balls and disappear in two years, and then we'll dig this thread to laugh at ourselves being either nationalistic or getting hyped up based on what we've seen from bowlers who barely have 10 tests between them.
I think Starc can be an excellent bowler if he finds his radar, but that's like saying Chris Pringle could have been a world class bowler if he bowled 150kph. It's easier said than done.
But hey, I don't expect there to be a winner in this thread for a long time yet because while it's evident Boult is easily the better bowler right now, they both have 10-15 years of test cricket ahead. They could both suck balls and disappear in two years, and then we'll dig this thread to laugh at ourselves being either nationalistic or getting hyped up based on what we've seen from bowlers who barely have 10 tests between them.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I'm going to study Starc at length tomorrow. Even though he got spanked today everyone was. He managed to get a wicket through his bounce and should have had 2-fer.
@Albi I will watch to see if he braces his front side or whether he collapses. Will get back to you soon.
@Albi I will watch to see if he braces his front side or whether he collapses. Will get back to you soon.