Really rate him. Always thought he'd do well after the 2011 World Cup, where he showed an ability to reverse it at pace. Hope he can continue his progress.
I didn't know he'd left.
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#408. Sixty three not out forever.
Tim Southee? Should be Tim Northee.
He's arrived, needs to learn how to bowl in good bowling conditions though.
These arguments about conditions being helpful and non helpful conditions based on what country you are playing in are some of the weakest ever. I feel like most people that do that just sterotype rather than actually watching that series. Seriously just because pitches happened to be flat for one particular series doesn't mean its always going to be flat. Do people seriously believe that the Hobart pitch NZ won in last year was always green? If these pitches were so flat the ball wouldn't be doing so much. I am willing to bet the pitches NZ produced for SA last year were flatter than this. They certainly couldn't make the ball do so much in that series.
Not taking anything away from Southee he was awesome but these pitches weren't that flat. The pitches in which Aus vs SA series that's going on now those would be flat pitches.
He's a completely different bowler than the one that played SA last summer. Sure, he'll find bigger tests in all meanings of the word over the next six months but those who have watched his career closely can see that he is up to it, and that his form over the last six months suggest he is a genuine world-class bowler.
Colombo wasn't a road. In the game you played against SA in Dunedin last year in which Southee was crap you got 273 and 137/2 against Steyn and co. earlier this year. In fact the only reason you didn't get to 300+ in the first dig was because your batsmen failed to convert their starts and gave it away which is not uncommon for NZ. Anyways, I would certainly consider that equally and if not more hard than scoring 400 once against SL where your main bowler is Herath.
If you want to see a genuine road look at Adelaide.
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Colombo was a complete road. You must have been watching a different match.
Anyway, how else do you think we scored 400?
Southee's record since the SRL series
47 wickets at 24.68 apiece, with a strike rate of 52.50 and an economy rate of 2.81. Yup I'd say he's arrived. The next question is how good will he become.
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That's just being too clever by half though, just happening to pick a period that works perfectly for this bowler and cuts out a bunch of really good performances for the competitors. You can base it on cricketing logic, but then you have to apply that consistently and doing that I, personally, don't think you can make an argument that Southee is really all that close to Philander/Steyn/Harris at all and I'd still put Broad ahead. Broad is an odd case because he is a bit of a wrecking ball, but for since 2011 he's been a surprisingly consistent wrecking ball when fit.
do you think people will be allowed to make violins?
who's going to make the violins?
Yeah it's something you could argue, but I just think Broad adds a bit more to the attack and doesn't lose much by comparison in the areas where Southee has the edge.
Plus, having a bowler who can repeatedly and single-handedly win you a Test match is an incredible asset.
Why not though? Southee produces big swing, with wonderful control. He's got a well disguised off-cutter, a surprisingly sharp bouncer and a fantastic cricket brain. I've already conceeded that his old ball bowling is not in the class of Steyn/Harris, but otherwise he's a wonderful bowler. He's produced a string of exceptional performances against several strong batting lineups. He's certainly not a green track bully. Barring the Lord's test and the pre-Christmas Basin test, he's bowled almost exclusively on absolute belters. And while Boult is an excellent bowler, he doesn't provide as strong or as consistent support to Southee as Philander does for Steyn or Johnson does for Harris.That's just being too clever by half though, just happening to pick a period that works perfectly for this bowler and cuts out a bunch of really good performances for the competitors. You can base it on cricketing logic, but then you have to apply that consistently and doing that I, personally, don't think you can make an argument that Southee is really all that close to Philander/Steyn/Harris at all and I'd still put Broad ahead.
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