Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I'd like to let Kippax decide for me whether Gillespie should be selected first.
Then I will vote.
Then I will vote.
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Pick your NZ bowlers/all-rounders for SA
- Thread starter Kippax
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at Jesse's shot to get out in the Mitch M vid. He deadset cbf with domestic bowlers if the deck is flat.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I basically picked Vettori on this basis alone.
Flem274*
123/5
I really want to, but unless we open with a middle order batsman (which is my idea) or a 20 year old there isn't anyone to drop him for.
McIntosh
Vincent
Yovich
Wilson
How
Raval
Papps
Brodie
Worker
Fulton
Rutherford
Redmond
That's the list of who opened in the last round. Six of them have already failed testz.
Days of Grace
International Captain
Wasn't Papp's first test series in South Africa and he got destroyed?
No way I'd want to be taking a green opener over there. Guptill stays, as bad as he is at the moment.
No way I'd want to be taking a green opener over there. Guptill stays, as bad as he is at the moment.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
I kinda like the idea of Vincent actually. He's experienced and old enough that it wouldn't matter if he failed and lost confidence. If he succeeds it's a bonus, if he fails well so would've Guptill at this stage. We wouldn't be losing much in the fielding department that way.
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Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Not often NZC brackets two players in a squad announcement tbh. Vettori now won't be seen until a Friday night game on Dec 14 and a FC in Wgtn the following week, so Tastle's looking pretty good to tour.
Daemon got in with a subtle '**** Franklin' burn btw.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Hang on a minute let me consult the thesaurus for the right adjective for Arnel.
This is what thesaurus.com returns for abomination
anathema, aversion, bother, curse, detestation, evil, horror, nuisance, plague, shame, torment
Take your pick.
Arnel on a serious note is very very good at FC level but relies on hitting the seam to get it to nibble both ways which on flat decks in tests it doesn't.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
I'd be interested to know what concretely separates blokes like Philander and McGrath from Arnel. Modest pace, immaculate seam position, tight line and length, what's he missing?
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Some things are not ok to even joke about and those include sending Vincent or Fulton to South Africa as a new opener. No thanks. Guppy. Keep the faith.
Still not sure who I like as backup bowlers for South Africa, beyond the must-haves of Southee, Boult, Bracewell, Patel, Vettori. Would probably take Wagner as one. And one of Gillespie, Milne or Martin depending on who is bowling well and if Bond thinks it's not too early for Milne. Wouldn't take Astle, even though he is not necessarily terrible - just needs more work.
And I think I'm done with Franklin in tests - bowling may have improved slightly but I just can't see him scoring runs when it matters against good opposition. So another question is whether to send a replacement allrounder (in addition to Vettori) - pretty tempted to get Carl Cachopa involved even if he doesn't get a game.
Also, put Munro in the ODI/T20 squad - our limited over side is pretty bad so might as well use it to blood some players of the right style who hold promise.
Still not sure who I like as backup bowlers for South Africa, beyond the must-haves of Southee, Boult, Bracewell, Patel, Vettori. Would probably take Wagner as one. And one of Gillespie, Milne or Martin depending on who is bowling well and if Bond thinks it's not too early for Milne. Wouldn't take Astle, even though he is not necessarily terrible - just needs more work.
And I think I'm done with Franklin in tests - bowling may have improved slightly but I just can't see him scoring runs when it matters against good opposition. So another question is whether to send a replacement allrounder (in addition to Vettori) - pretty tempted to get Carl Cachopa involved even if he doesn't get a game.
Also, put Munro in the ODI/T20 squad - our limited over side is pretty bad so might as well use it to blood some players of the right style who hold promise.
Flem274*
123/5
I know I said I'd sit on it but since the thread is here I'll predict who the selectors will take and pin my own colours to the mast and see if those I pick prove me right if they play. It's even going to have pretentious bolding of player names. We'll know who gets picked this week anyway. 15 man squad yeah? That means we're looking at a playing eleven of:
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson
Taylor
Flynn
...
Wicketkeeper
Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult
That's roughly a lock. We may just go with the keeper at six and Vettori seven, making room for another bowler.
But assuming we pick a batsman for number six, we'll have two reserve spots for bowlers and two reserve spots for batsmen. If someone gets their arm broken by Steyn we will need that batting depth.
Port Elizabeth by all reports is low and slow so Jeets will tour, and with his record against South Africa Marto won't be left at home. If we take one less batsman then the selectors will want some left arm pace on the bench and the number two left armer in their eyes is Neil Wagner.
I'm going to back them picking Brownlie for number six, assuming Jesse is still happy smokin' domestix and isn't ready for tests. For their two reserve batsmen I bet they'll want at least one who can bowl. IMO we can safely say Franklin is gone for good as a batting allrounder. Wells isn't bowling atm, Anderson isn't taking many wickets, Ellis appears to be a ODI specialist, CdG couldn't handle the pace earlier in the year and Neesham is a bit raw, so I think we're looking at Cachopa or Munro. Despite Cachopa's ridiculous run of hundreds, one look at Dean Elgar today tells you everything you need to know about how ready Cachopa is for Steyn, Philander and Morkel. Munro might lack technique on the front foot through the offside and be fortunate to play all his home games on a road, but his legside play is superb and he has a hook shot to die for. I think it will be him.
The other reserve batsman is hard to pick because Broom has scored bugger all in the last couple of years most of the very few guys scoring runs have already been tried and failed, so I'll put $10 on the selectors trying to be cute (again) and picking Nicol (again). Maybe they will pick Fulton at a stretch, but I doubt it. So the squad I predict is:
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson (5/6)
Taylor (c)
Flynn
Brownlie (5/6)
Watling (wk)
Vettori (4)
Bracewell (3)
Southee (1)
Boult (2)
Munro
Nicol
Martin
Patel
If we take one less batsman add Wagner
As for my own picks, with my selectors hat on the next few days are crucial. If they're so damn determined to name the squad this week then Gillespie and Marto are in a straight shoot out in the current FC round and if either can blitz two reasonable batting line ups, they go. Failing that, if Bond gives the go ahead, pick Milne. If I had to pick just one, then I'm going to back Gillespie. This will be the week he gets angry and sends it down at 145kph trying to kill Fulton, Brownlie, Ellis and Latham. You heard it here first.
Jeets is my second spinner, and that is a pretty easy call. Astle needs more work. For my left armer I want Ben Wheeler.
Brownlie will be in the reserves for me since I'd put Vettori the batting allrounder at seven and go in with four strike bowlers and one stock bowler. I don't know who I want as my other reserve batsman since I don't think Cachopa, Latham or Rutherford are ready so I'll revert to my default PICK SINCLAIR!!!111 mode.
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson (6)
Taylor (c)
Flynn
Watling (wk)
Vettori (5)
Bracewell (3)
Southee (1)
Gillespie (4)
Boult (2)
Jeets
Wheeler
Brownlie
Sinclair
Can they win? If we outbowl the best attack in the world bowling to a vastly superior batting line up to our own then yes. Will it happen? Nope. Our attack is gun but no matter who we pick we're only going to get to 250 if someone tons up and anything beyond will require two or more tons and that isn't happening. Scoring 400 on a road against a lone ranger doesn't fill me with confidence they can do it against SA in SA, it just makes me wonder where the **** that effort has been at Napier all these years (barring that test against India of course). In fact if we pass 400 in any innings with the bat I'll make James Marshall my avatar for the number of days the highest scorer makes (so Taylor 114 means I have the avatar for 114 days). We simply don't have the batting to win or draw against this attack.
I'm going to really go out on a limb and predict a South African clean sweep in the test series.
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson
Taylor
Flynn
...
Wicketkeeper
Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult
That's roughly a lock. We may just go with the keeper at six and Vettori seven, making room for another bowler.
But assuming we pick a batsman for number six, we'll have two reserve spots for bowlers and two reserve spots for batsmen. If someone gets their arm broken by Steyn we will need that batting depth.
Port Elizabeth by all reports is low and slow so Jeets will tour, and with his record against South Africa Marto won't be left at home. If we take one less batsman then the selectors will want some left arm pace on the bench and the number two left armer in their eyes is Neil Wagner.
I'm going to back them picking Brownlie for number six, assuming Jesse is still happy smokin' domestix and isn't ready for tests. For their two reserve batsmen I bet they'll want at least one who can bowl. IMO we can safely say Franklin is gone for good as a batting allrounder. Wells isn't bowling atm, Anderson isn't taking many wickets, Ellis appears to be a ODI specialist, CdG couldn't handle the pace earlier in the year and Neesham is a bit raw, so I think we're looking at Cachopa or Munro. Despite Cachopa's ridiculous run of hundreds, one look at Dean Elgar today tells you everything you need to know about how ready Cachopa is for Steyn, Philander and Morkel. Munro might lack technique on the front foot through the offside and be fortunate to play all his home games on a road, but his legside play is superb and he has a hook shot to die for. I think it will be him.
The other reserve batsman is hard to pick because Broom has scored bugger all in the last couple of years most of the very few guys scoring runs have already been tried and failed, so I'll put $10 on the selectors trying to be cute (again) and picking Nicol (again). Maybe they will pick Fulton at a stretch, but I doubt it. So the squad I predict is:
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson (5/6)
Taylor (c)
Flynn
Brownlie (5/6)
Watling (wk)
Vettori (4)
Bracewell (3)
Southee (1)
Boult (2)
Munro
Nicol
Martin
Patel
If we take one less batsman add Wagner
As for my own picks, with my selectors hat on the next few days are crucial. If they're so damn determined to name the squad this week then Gillespie and Marto are in a straight shoot out in the current FC round and if either can blitz two reasonable batting line ups, they go. Failing that, if Bond gives the go ahead, pick Milne. If I had to pick just one, then I'm going to back Gillespie. This will be the week he gets angry and sends it down at 145kph trying to kill Fulton, Brownlie, Ellis and Latham. You heard it here first.
Jeets is my second spinner, and that is a pretty easy call. Astle needs more work. For my left armer I want Ben Wheeler.
Brownlie will be in the reserves for me since I'd put Vettori the batting allrounder at seven and go in with four strike bowlers and one stock bowler. I don't know who I want as my other reserve batsman since I don't think Cachopa, Latham or Rutherford are ready so I'll revert to my default PICK SINCLAIR!!!111 mode.
Guptill
McCullum
Williamson (6)
Taylor (c)
Flynn
Watling (wk)
Vettori (5)
Bracewell (3)
Southee (1)
Gillespie (4)
Boult (2)
Jeets
Wheeler
Brownlie
Sinclair
Can they win? If we outbowl the best attack in the world bowling to a vastly superior batting line up to our own then yes. Will it happen? Nope. Our attack is gun but no matter who we pick we're only going to get to 250 if someone tons up and anything beyond will require two or more tons and that isn't happening. Scoring 400 on a road against a lone ranger doesn't fill me with confidence they can do it against SA in SA, it just makes me wonder where the **** that effort has been at Napier all these years (barring that test against India of course). In fact if we pass 400 in any innings with the bat I'll make James Marshall my avatar for the number of days the highest scorer makes (so Taylor 114 means I have the avatar for 114 days). We simply don't have the batting to win or draw against this attack.
I'm going to really go out on a limb and predict a South African clean sweep in the test series.
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Starting XI:
Todd Astle
Neil Wagner/Mark Gillespie
Carl Cachopa
Colin Munro
Chris Martin
(Derek de Boorder)
So that's 10 of the 11 set, in my mind. Selectors to get pissed off with Kruger and drop him from the squad entirely. Cachopa or Munro to debut in the number 6 slot (Brownlie sucks, cbf with Franklin), or bump Watling and Vettori up a place to bring in an added bowler. I would potentially carry Derek de Boorder as an extra wicketkeeper, in case Guptill is so shot that they need Watling to open.
Cachopa has form behind him, and Munro has a double ton therefore must be selected. Martin in for his experience and Wagner gets the not over a young gun for his perceived experience in the conditions. Plus I'd rather have NZ blood Milne, Wheeler, Small or whoever else. Finally, Astle tours ahead of Jeets in my book - odds are he won't get a game anyway and IMO he has a higher ceiling than Patel. The experience of touring should help him. If Vettori tears something (again), you bring Jeets across and play 4 seamers.
I've chucked Gillespie as a possible replacement for Wagner in the event he tears Canterbury a new arsehole.
Rob Nicol can GAGF.
- Martin Guptill
- Brendon McCullum
- Kane Williamson
- Ross Taylor
- Daniel Flynn
- -
- BJ Watling +
- Daniel Vettori
- Doug Bracewell
- Tim Southee
- Trent Boult
Todd Astle
Neil Wagner/Mark Gillespie
Carl Cachopa
Colin Munro
Chris Martin
(Derek de Boorder)
So that's 10 of the 11 set, in my mind. Selectors to get pissed off with Kruger and drop him from the squad entirely. Cachopa or Munro to debut in the number 6 slot (Brownlie sucks, cbf with Franklin), or bump Watling and Vettori up a place to bring in an added bowler. I would potentially carry Derek de Boorder as an extra wicketkeeper, in case Guptill is so shot that they need Watling to open.
Cachopa has form behind him, and Munro has a double ton therefore must be selected. Martin in for his experience and Wagner gets the not over a young gun for his perceived experience in the conditions. Plus I'd rather have NZ blood Milne, Wheeler, Small or whoever else. Finally, Astle tours ahead of Jeets in my book - odds are he won't get a game anyway and IMO he has a higher ceiling than Patel. The experience of touring should help him. If Vettori tears something (again), you bring Jeets across and play 4 seamers.
I've chucked Gillespie as a possible replacement for Wagner in the event he tears Canterbury a new arsehole.
Rob Nicol can GAGF.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Wellington won't be playing again before this squad is named, and Canterbury are playing in Hamilton right now.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
+1
I mean we're due to **** him around in the batting order for 1 or 2 chances and drop him like usual, right?
Flem274*
123/5
Haha, fail on my part. Somehow managed to read ND as Wellington.
Wellington won't be playing again before this squad is named, and Canterbury are playing in Hamilton right now.
