West Indies ATG Team- Open Voting - Page 8

BoyBrumby · 17-11-2012, 01:05 AM

Not that it's necessarily a factor, but Gibbs was a rank #11. Leaving out Holding or Garner would lengthen the tail.

Good as he was, he played on uncovered pitches for the most part and didn't have Laker-like figures.

I'm an advocate of a spinner 9/10, but when it's at the expense of a better bowler (IMHO, obvz) and there are other spin options...

watson · 17-11-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Not that it's necessarily a factor, but Gibbs was a rank #11. Leaving out Holding or Garner would lengthen the tail.

Good as he was, he played on uncovered pitches for the most part and didn't have Laker-like figures.

I'm an advocate of a spinner 9/10, but when it's at the expense of a better bowler (IMHO, obvz) and there are other spin options...

An Average of 29.09 and a Strike Rate of 87.7 are not bad for a spinner. Admittedly not in the same bracket as Jim Laker, but still acceptable just the same (eg Kumble's Average = 29.65). Throw in 18 x 5fers, and a couple of 10fers, and you have yourself a real match-winner.

BoyBrumby · 17-11-2012, 01:27 AM

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An Average of 29.09 and a Strike Rate of 87.7 are not bad for a spinner. Admittedly not in the same bracket as Jim Laker, but still acceptable just the same (eg Kumble's Average = 29.65). Throw in 18 x 5fers, and a couple of 10fers, and you have yourself a real match-winner.

Yeah, he's a quality performer, no doubt. I wouldn't say it'd be a travesty or a farce if he made it in, but it's not the way I'd go.

Unless the game was in the sub-continent, obvz.

kyear2 · 17-11-2012, 01:35 AM

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You been out partying Kyear? Or night-shift perhaps?

Watching cricket.

watson · 17-11-2012, 01:43 AM

I assume you've been watching England collapse all-out to the Indian fast bowlers, I mean spinners.

watson · 17-11-2012, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Yeah, he's a quality performer, no doubt. I wouldn't say it'd be a travesty or a farce if he made it in, but it's not the way I'd go.

Unless the game was in the sub-continent, obvz.

That's the point.

Presumerably an ATG West Indian team would be expected to play on various continents. Not just the West Indies.

Satyanash89 · 17-11-2012, 02:10 AM

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That's the point.

Presumerably an ATG West Indian team would be expected to play on various continents. Not just the West Indies.

Garner would still be just as good in the SC. Played 3 matches in pakistan and took 10 wickets at 19.2. i know its just three matches but he did prove he was capable in SC conditions as well

BoyBrumby · 17-11-2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by watson

That's the point.

Presumerably an ATG West Indian team would be expected to play on various continents. Not just the West Indies.

Well, yeah. But one could equally argue you wouldn't want to leave Holding out at Headingley, Bridgetown or the WACA, say.

watson · 17-11-2012, 02:43 AM

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Garner would still be just as good in the SC. Played 3 matches in pakistan and took 10 wickets at 19.2. i know its just three matches but he did prove he was capable in SC conditions as well

Gibbs
9 Tests in India. 39 wickets at 23.28. Economy Rate = 1.84
5 Tests in Pakistan. 15 wickets at 26.00. Ecomomy Rate = 1.82

kingkallis · 17-11-2012, 02:48 AM

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Gibbs
9 Tests in India. 39 wickets at 23.28. Economy Rate = 1.84
5 Tests in Pakistan. 15 wickets at 26.00. Ecomomy Rate = 1.82

Stats shows it. So yeah Gibbs > Garner. Period.

watson · 17-11-2012, 03:21 AM

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Well, yeah. But one could equally argue you wouldn't want to leave Holding out at Headingley, Bridgetown or the WACA, say.

Probably not. But whether it's Marshall-Holding-Ambrose-Sobers or Marshall-Garner-Ambrose-Sobers on a Headingly/Bridgetown green-top or a WACA flyer is a moot point.

Howe_zat · 17-11-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Well, yeah. But one could equally argue you wouldn't want to leave Holding out at Headingley, Bridgetown or the WACA, say.

When you've got Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Sobers already then would you be missing much?

If a batsman's looking like not getting out on a WACA deathtrap against that lot then I'm not sure bringing on Holding would be just the ticket. Gibbs' ability to hold up one end while you unleash your pacers at the other might be just as much use.

It's a lot more debatable than whether or not you'd want a specialist spinner on a turning track, at the very least.

kyear2 · 17-11-2012, 06:26 AM

Garner : 14
Gibbs : 13

Still really close (by my count), should we give it a bit more time to break one way of the other.

kyear2 · 18-11-2012, 07:24 PM

No more votes, ready to verify and call it Monk?

Monk · 18-11-2012, 07:55 PM

So we have

Marshall (24)
Ambrose (24)
Holding (23)

all way out in front

with Gibbs on 13 and Garner on 14.

I think the maths is correct, but it got confusing in the middle stages with people changing votes etc.

So, the bowling attack is 4 quicks.

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