West Indies ATG Team- Open Voting - Page 17

Prince EWS · 05-12-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Howe_zat

The point was the discussion, not the result, wasn't it?

Yeah. I voted for Gibbs too but it's not like there are long-reaching consequences for having a poor side selected here. We voted for what we voted for, and if we want to have an ongoing discussion about why that was a poor choice then that's good for the thread/forum but we shouldn't be having a re-vote just because the group who lost one of the votes is making a lot of noise.

kyear2 · 05-12-2012, 12:40 PM

Regardless, the openers spot is all tied up. At least one more vote so we can move on to the next team.

watson · 05-12-2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Yeah. I voted for Gibbs too but it's not like there are long-reaching consequences for having a poor side selected here. We voted for what we voted for, and if we want to have an ongoing discussion about why that was a poor choice then that's good for the thread/forum but we shouldn't be having a re-vote just because the group who lost one of the votes is making a lot of noise.

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

We want a spinner.....

kyear2 · 05-12-2012, 02:02 PM

With or with out, it's still unquestionably one of the top two teams and neigh invincible.

Still would be nice to have one though.

grecian · 05-12-2012, 03:08 PM

Garner should only be behind Marshall anyway, definitely ahead of Holding.

kyear2 · 05-12-2012, 05:45 PM

Ambrose was definately better and Holding was arguably better, who for a period was the world's best bowler competing with the likes of Hadlee and Lillee not to mention Roberts. Don't think Garner ever was.

watson · 05-12-2012, 06:25 PM

Yeah, I'm a Michael Holding fan.

My Grandfather took me to the Kennington Oval Test match during the 1976 series to watch Holding and Roberts bowl against Amiss and the rest of the England team. I haven't forgotten the experience. To a small boy looking through his binoculars he was far more scary than Roberts, or his other team mates, Holder and Daniel.

Monk · 05-12-2012, 08:10 PM

I'm going to let this slide for a bit guys, I have a busy few weeks approaching.

If anyone wants to carry on with this or run it again, be my guest!

marc71178 · 06-12-2012, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

With or with out, it's still unquestionably one of the top two teams and neigh invincible.

With no front line spinner and a part time keeper that's 2 significant gaps though.

kyear2 · 06-12-2012, 04:01 AM

Walcott was not a part time keeper. He made and kept his place in the team as a wicketkeeper whose batting developed enough to allow him to ahed the gloves when he got hurt.
Dujon came into the team as a batsman who took the gloves to keep his place in the team.

Kindly also be reminded that the West Indies bacame the best team ever by relying on four fast bowlers in ALL conditions, including the sub continent.

grecian · 06-12-2012, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

Ambrose was definately better and Holding was arguably better, who for a period was the world's best bowler competing with the likes of Hadlee and Lillee not to mention Roberts. Don't think Garner ever was.

Nah, disagree, people seem to dismiss steadiness and consistency for occasional brilliance. I think Garner was competing in that way. The guy could bowl longer spells and gave no runs away, he's a perfect foil for express bowlers, whilst also taking wickets at an incredibly low average. Most under-rated player on cricketweb.

marc71178 · 06-12-2012, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

Walcott was not a part time keeper. He made and kept his place in the team as a wicketkeeper whose batting developed enough to allow him to ahed the gloves when he got hurt.
Dujon came into the team as a batsman who took the gloves to keep his place in the team.

Regardless of what you say, he only kept for 15 matches out of a career of 44 Tests, that is part-time.
As for your Dujon bull****, he played 2 games as a batsman out of a career of 81, hardly comparable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

Kindly also be reminded that the West Indies bacame the best team ever by relying on four fast bowlers in ALL conditions, including the sub continent.

Playing against lesser sides than all time great sides...

kyear2 · 06-12-2012, 04:22 PM

So besides Australia what other teams are on par with a West Indies XI even with the handicap of having four of the greatest bowlers (top 20) who ever played the game and having a wicketkeeper who played Lindwall and Miller better than any else did.

South Africa, England and Pakistan, in that order just a class below the top two teams.

Monk · 06-12-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

So besides Australia what other teams are on par with a West Indies XI even with the handicap of having four of the greatest bowlers (top 20) who ever played the game and having a wicketkeeper who played Lindwall and Miller better than any else did.

South Africa, England and Pakistan, in that order just a class below the top two teams.

South Africa are pretty dangerous imo..

Barry Richards
Graham Smith
Jaques Kallis
Graham Pollock
Dudley Nourse
Faulkner/Amla
John Waite
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock
Hugh Tayfield
Allan Donald

kyear2 · 06-12-2012, 07:49 PM

I did mention that they were next in line. Great team that is going to be.

If we ever get a final vote for the openers.

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watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,687	Yeah, I'm a Michael Holding fan. My Grandfather took me to the Kennington Oval Test match during the 1976 series to watch Holding and Roberts bowl against Amiss and the rest of the England team. I haven't forgotten the experience. To a small boy looking through his binoculars he was far more scary than Roberts, or his other team mates, Holder and Daniel. Last edited by watson; 05-12-2012 at 06:32 PM.

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05-12-2012, 02:02 PM	#244 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,512	With or with out, it's still unquestionably one of the top two teams and neigh invincible. Still would be nice to have one though.

05-12-2012, 05:45 PM	#246 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,512	Ambrose was definately better and Holding was arguably better, who for a period was the world's best bowler competing with the likes of Hadlee and Lillee not to mention Roberts. Don't think Garner ever was.

05-12-2012, 08:10 PM	#248 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,587	I'm going to let this slide for a bit guys, I have a busy few weeks approaching. If anyone wants to carry on with this or run it again, be my guest!

06-12-2012, 04:01 AM	#250 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,512	Walcott was not a part time keeper. He made and kept his place in the team as a wicketkeeper whose batting developed enough to allow him to ahed the gloves when he got hurt. Dujon came into the team as a batsman who took the gloves to keep his place in the team. Kindly also be reminded that the West Indies bacame the best team ever by relying on four fast bowlers in ALL conditions, including the sub continent.

06-12-2012, 04:22 PM	#253 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,512	So besides Australia what other teams are on par with a West Indies XI even with the handicap of having four of the greatest bowlers (top 20) who ever played the game and having a wicketkeeper who played Lindwall and Miller better than any else did. South Africa, England and Pakistan, in that order just a class below the top two teams.

06-12-2012, 07:49 PM	#255 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,512	I did mention that they were next in line. Great team that is going to be. If we ever get a final vote for the openers.

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