First Impressions

[Prince EWS]

About Imran, he reportedly said: "He's an absolute knob is Imran Khan, that's the only way to describe him."

[Spikey]

Paul Marsh Paul Marsh ‏@Marsh_Paul

For all the criticism going Greg Ritchie's way, understand that he has raised many thousands of dollars for grassroots cricket over many ...

Paul Marsh ‏@Marsh_Paul

years with the same style of speech. It is not meant to offend it is meant to make people laugh & he does that better than most #perspective

Paul Marsh ‏@Marsh_Paul

To be clear I'm not defending racism. I know Greg well, I don't believe he's racist & he's done plenty for grassroots cricket

doing plenty for grassroots cricket doesn't give you a free pass to say whatever the hell you want. first impressions of paul marsh: you moron.

(to a greater extent, you could say he's not doing a lot for grassroots cricket by offending the entire australian muslim community and hiding behind the pathetic "hey you choose to be offended!" defence )

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by Spikey

doing plenty for grassroots cricket doesn't give you a free pass to say whatever the hell you want you moron

(to a greater extent, you could say he's not doing a lot for grassroots cricket by offending the entire australian muslim community and hiding behind the pathetic "hey you choose to be offended!" defence )

LOL

Have Greg ritchie and Andy Hayden trade after dinner speech tips.

[uvelocity]

where does the line get drawn separating comic and offensive

[BoyBrumby]

TBF, leaving aside the obviously dodgy overtones, the joke wasn't awful.

The comment to Wessells is just...wow...tho. As one understands South Africans consider "kaffir" as roughly on a par as we do the n-word. Poor form and a worse defence for poor form.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

The comment to Wessells is just...wow...tho. As one understands South Africans consider "kaffir" as roughly on a par as we do the n-word. Poor form and a worse defence for poor form.

I don't think the article really reported that incident very well. He said it to him when they were team-mates years playing against the West Indies, and he just re-told the story. Obviously a **** thing to say but it's the sort of over-the-top banter that often happens within cricket teams.

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I don't think the article really reported that incident very well. He said it to him when they were team-mates years playing against the West Indies, and he just re-told the story. Obviously a **** thing to say but it's the sort of over-the-top banter that often happens within cricket teams.

Time and a place tho.

What's appropriate (or what's permissable, rather) in a changing room isn't necessarily so for a public audience.

Just to echo what others have said about Kleinveldt: not a test bowler. Jerky action and it's never going to generate much more pace than he gets now. Looks to use the same dietician as Philander too.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Time and a place tho.

What's appropriate (or what's permissable, rather) in a changing room isn't necessarily so for a public audience.

Yeah, true. I basically just tried to put myself in the setting of the original incident; I used to play cricket with a couple of South Africans and the team clown used to take the piss out of them with "white South Africans are all secretly racist" type jokes; it was in poor taste really but it was never meant to be anything but friendly team banter and they took it as such.

But yeah you're right; said team clown wouldn't then go ahead and re-tell those jokes to a public audience.

[uvelocity]

got tv on in the background did they hit kepler up about it at all?

[NUFAN]

Nah they didn't - thankfully.


Going on record to say Kleinveldt shouldn't be playing Test Cricket, in fact hopefully this is his last Test match. He could end up a decent ODI player though.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by NUFAN

Nah they didn't - thankfully.


Going on record to say Kleinveldt shouldn't be playing Test Cricket, in fact hopefully this is his last Test match. He could end up a decent ODI player though.

He's never really been a particularly good one day bowler domestically as far as I know though, so I doubt it.

[NUFAN]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

He's never really been a particularly good one day bowler domestically as far as I know though, so I doubt it.

Perhaps not, it was more of a throw away line to give him some encouragement . Like Rory mate your the worst pace bowler that SA has produced since readmission but hey you might get a chance in the ****tier format ODIs so keep your chin up.

[vic_orthdox]

Mondays.

Staid, boring, and a reminder of hell on earth coming in the following four days, but the cricket being on makes them somewhat more bearable.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I don't think the article really reported that incident very well. He said it to him when they were team-mates years playing against the West Indies, and he just re-told the story. Obviously a **** thing to say but it's the sort of over-the-top banter that often happens within cricket teams.

Please don't defend racism PEWS as over the top banter. It is annoying when you do it. I certainly hope that international cricket teams of today or any age do not/did not joke about calling the west Indies cricket team racist names. If I was on the team I would not find it funny and I would call my team mate on it.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

Please don't defend racism PEWS as over the top banter. It is annoying when you do it. I certainly hope that international cricket teams of today or any age do not/did not joke about calling the west Indies cricket team racist names. If I was on the team I would not find it funny and I would call my team mate on it.

Please don't confuse good-natured ribbing Hurricane as racism. It is annoying when you do it. There's a massive difference between racism - that is, discrimination or prejudice against someone based on their race - and piss-taking between close friends in a team environment. I bet you're a barrel of laughs as a team-mate.

As Brumby said, there's a time and a place, and when someone like Ritchie defends his Muslim joke by saying "It's just a little humourous joke to indicate that they're not my favourite people of my choice" then it's safe to say there's basically no chance of him being anything than a bigoted **** who deserves nothing but contempt. That doesn't mean all race-related jokes are actually racist though; obviously they require a certain closeness and environment - you need to know the guy taking the piss isn't actually serious or it's offensive - but looking for ways to get offended out of context will just make you constantly sour.