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  • Ajay Ratra

    1 4.35%
  • Parthiv Patel

    19 82.61%
  • Deep Das Gupta

    1 4.35%
  • MSK Prasad

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  • Vijay Dahiya

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    Patel seems to be getting more votes not fully by his talent, but by his age.He hasn't played enough competitive internal games(like Renji trophy, Irani Trophy..).Let him be matured by palying there...but not in international team which is not suppossed to be a nursery.
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    Originally posted by amits
    dravid, hasnt been too impressive in keeping. he doesnt have the reflexes to stump a batsman
    Doesn't have the relflexes to stump a batsman, but as a batsman he has the reflexes to react to a fast bowler where a batsman has on avgerage of 0.4 seconds to get into pos', chose a shot and excute it, not bad if you ask me.

    Basically you can't not have reflexes and also have them elsewhere... quite simply it's it glove work that lets him down and the experiance of how and when to move etc - Keeping is alot harder than just standing catching a ball, a swinging ball at 90mph is no fun, a batsman can leave them all a keeper can't... and then there's standing up too.

    At the end of the day he can keep and all he needs to do is work on it a bit more, at the moment he probley does little or no work knowing that he is only covering a game etc, if he was to work on it knowing he was doing it more regular he would improve and become alot more reliable with experiance etc. He obviously has the basics there as he fields at slip alot (or at least has done) and has always been a pretty solid catcher, so it shows he can do it.


    Anyway the subject what has P.Patel actually done wrong here??? - His been getting good reviews from the Aussie commentators and the English when India were over here... So why excatly has the fans turned agaist him :rolleyes: - This appears to be a common thing in sports, why is it last week the guy was a god and a week later maybe for no reason or one bad game and he should be dropped. (last paragraph might be mixed up with another thread I read)
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    Certainly Parthiv Patel for me - a fine, young keeper who albeit a little shaky at times will be there for quite a time yet.
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    Mongia but it would never happen. Patel it is then.

    (Notices how Amits' arguement is getting ripped to shreads)
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    20...that's a rather big number :(:(:(


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    Originally posted by CDAK
    Patel seems to be getting more votes not fully by his talent, but by his age.
    For his age, he is a superb talent and can only get better.

    For me, he could make the impact on the side that someone else in the current side (who started at a very early age) did.
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    Originally posted by Rik
    (Notices how Amits' arguement is getting ripped to shreads)
    He must be used to it by now.

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    parthiv isnt a good wicket keeper. the stats never show the no of dropped catches and missed stumpings and i am :!( to c only 1 vote for ajay ratra and 12 votes for parthiv patel.

    what has ajay ratra done wrong ? y dont u guys need him in the team. parthivs keeping sucks and he cant even score runs quickly while batting and cant even hit a 6.

    parthiv, has conceded lots of byes. almost 10% of the oppositions runs come in byes conceded by parthiv. he drops lots of catches and misses stumpings.

    parthiv, should play in more ranji and duleep trophy games. for the national team, it should be ajay ratra.

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    Amit , you are saying as if Ajay is a very good keeper. He dropped quite a few chances too when he was in the team and wasn't scoring any runs either. Ratra scored that hundred on one of the flattest pitches you will ever see against a mediocre attack. Dasgupta is a better option than Ratra if you want to drop Patel. He did well in SAF against SAF and scored a century against England too.

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    Originally posted by vishnureddy
    Amit , you are saying as if Ajay is a very good keeper. He dropped quite a few chances too when he was in the team and wasn't scoring any runs either. Ratra scored that hundred on one of the flattest pitches you will ever see against a mediocre attack.
    I remember that innings. Comprised of a few streaky shots too. As I said before, Ratra really isn't that good.
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    Originally posted by amits
    what has ajay ratra done wrong ? y dont u guys need him in the team. parthivs keeping sucks and he cant even score runs quickly while batting and cant even hit a 6.
    Ratra has shown very little evidence of being able to bat apart from one innings on a road. And why do you need to hit sixes in Tests?

    parthiv, has conceded lots of byes. almost 10% of the oppositions runs come in byes conceded by parthiv. he drops lots of catches and misses stumpings.
    Parthiv Patel - Test Career

    England 617 - Byes 9
    England 273 - Byes 1
    England 309 - Byes 3
    WI 157 - Byes 0
    WI 188 - Byes 8
    WI 167 - Byes 8
    WI 229 - Byes 12
    WI 497 - Byes 4
    NZ 247 - Byes 6
    NZ 36 - Byes 0
    NZ 94 - Byes 1
    NZ 160 - Byes 0
    NZ 340 - Byes 4
    NZ 272 - Byes 4
    NZ 630 - Byes 21
    Aus 323 - Byes 4
    Aus 284 - Byes 4

    England (Away) - 1199 runs, 13 byes - 1.08%
    WI (Home) - 1238 runs, 32 byes - 2.58%
    NZ (Away) - 537 runs, 7 byes - 1.30%
    NZ (Home) - 1242 runs, 29 byes - 2.33%
    Aus (Away) - 607 runs, 8 byes - 1.32%

    OVERALL HOME - 2480 runs, 61 byes - 2.46%
    OVERALL AWAY - 2343 runs, 28 byes - 1.20%

    OVERALL - 4823 runs, 89 byes - 1.85%

    You are so far off the mark it's not even funny.

    Ajay Ratra - Test Career

    WI 245 - Byes 5
    WI 275 - Byes 2
    WI 394 - Byes 3
    WI 5 - Byes 0
    WI 629 - Byes 10
    WI 422 - Byes 5
    WI 197 - Byes 4
    Eng 487 - Byes 11
    Eng 301 - Byes 5
    Eng 515 - Byes 12
    Eng 114 - Byes 4

    West Indies (Away) - 2167 runs, 29 byes - 1.34%
    England (Away) - 1417 runs - 21 byes - 1.48%

    OVERALL (ALL AWAY) - 3584 runs, 50 byes - 1.40%

    Home and away tours are hardly comparable due to the amount of keeping standing up (much easier to let byes through against spinners) and back that needs to be done. In similar conditions (away from home, it's pretty much as much seam-dominated in NZ, WI, Eng & Aus... ish), Parthiv concedes 1.2% of runs as byes as opposed to Ratra's 1.4%

    On the one tour that they both kept in - England 2002 - Parthiv conceded 1.08% and Ratra 1.48%.

    Your turn, Amits.
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    Very impressive Neil, but you clearly have too much time on your hands.

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    Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Very impressive Neil, but you clearly have too much time on your hands.
    Not doing it for Stewie/Knott/Gilly/Marsh before anyone asks :P

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    Originally posted by amits
    what has ajay ratra done wrong ?
    A harder question would be what has he ever done right?

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    Originally posted by Neil Pickup
    Ratra has shown very little evidence of being able to bat apart from one innings on a road. And why do you need to hit sixes in Tests?
    Parthiv Patel - Test Career

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    ............rthiv concedes 1.2% of runs as byes as opposed to Ratra's 1.4%

    On the one tour that they both kept in - England 2002 - Parthiv conceded 1.08% and Ratra 1.48%.

    Your turn, Amits.
    Wow.this is incredible!!!:wow: U really have a done a great work..

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    Originally posted by CDAK
    Wow.this is incredible!!!:wow: U really have a done a great work..
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