English ATG Team- Open Voting

Monk · 31-10-2012, 05:47 PM

Same as the Australian thread. The idea is to create an AT English XI by open voting.

There will be four categories:

- Opening batsmen (2)
- Middle order batsmen (4)
- Wicketkeeper (1)
- Bowlers (4)

- Some players (Botham & Alec Stewart, for example) will appear in two categories. So, if you want Botham as an all-rounder batting at six, please select him as a middle order batsman. If you want him as an all rounder batting somewhere from 7-11, please select him as one of your four bowlers. This is not entirely fair I guess, but I can't think of another way without forcing the selection of an all-rounder.

You may wish to vote for players other than the ones I list. That's fine.

We'll start with the openers, please select two of the following:

Geoff Boycott
Graham Gooch
Mike Atherton
Andrew Strauss
Len Hutton
Alastair Cook
Marcus Trescothick
Jack Hobbs
Herb Sutcliffe
Alec Stewart
Michael Vaughan
Dennis Amiss
Arthur Shewsbury
WG Grace
Archie MacLaren
CB Fry
Cyril Washbrook
John Edrich

(England have produced a lot of ****ing good openers!)

kyear2 · 31-10-2012, 05:53 PM

Jack Hobbs and Len Hutton.

Two of the top three English batsmen of All Time and the pair chosen by Cricinfo for the World All Time XI. Lets not over think this one by trying to be too cute guys.

Cabinet96 · 31-10-2012, 05:55 PM

Tempted to be cute. But **** it.

Hobbs and Hutton

Monk · 31-10-2012, 06:00 PM

Hobbs and Hutton for me, but seriously tempted to take Boycott over Hutton.

watson · 31-10-2012, 06:07 PM

Hobbs and Hutton.

Viscount Tom · 31-10-2012, 06:07 PM

Hobbs and Hutton.

watson · 31-10-2012, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

Hobbs and Hutton for me, but seriously tempted to take Boycott over Hutton.

Boycott was a great batsman as far as the art of batting goes, but his personality was too selfish and myopic. He fails as a team player.

Monk · 31-10-2012, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watson

Boycott was a great batsman as far as the art of batting goes, but his personality was too selfish and myopic. He fails as a team player.

Yep, that's what sways me.

The Sean · 31-10-2012, 06:33 PM

England's collection of openers is absolutely in a class of its own, and this list is missing quite a few great ones (especially golden oldies) including off the top of my head:

WG Grace
Arthur Shrewsbury
Archie MacLaren
CB Fry
Cyril Washbrook
John Edrich

For me England have produced the three greatest openers of all time, and four of the top six. With no restrictions I'd pick Grace and Hobbs and offer my profuse apologies to Sir Len. However, as we are tending to pick Test-specific XIs I'm more than happy to go with the consensus of Hobbs and Hutton. Sutcliffe bloody unlucky, as he would unquestionably make any other team.

Jager · 31-10-2012, 07:16 PM

Hobbs and Sutcliffe naturally

fredfertang · 31-10-2012, 07:22 PM

Perm any two from Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hutton - if forced to choose I'd omit Sutcliffe, but only just

Burgey · 31-10-2012, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viscount Tom

Hobbs and Hutton.

This.

watson · 31-10-2012, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

Yep, that's what sways me.

Actually, it's more than that Monk. From what I gather, Geoff Boycott fails as a human being. Bit nasty I know, but true none-the-less.

BoyBrumby · 31-10-2012, 07:51 PM

Hobbs and Sutcliffe.

Herb is, like maybe only Kenny Barrington, that rarest of things: an underrated English ATG.

Apo · 31-10-2012, 07:58 PM

Should be filled with players when only England was playing cricket.

31-10-2012, 05:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	English ATG Team- Open Voting Same as the Australian thread. The idea is to create an AT English XI by open voting. There will be four categories: - Opening batsmen (2) - Middle order batsmen (4) - Wicketkeeper (1) - Bowlers (4) - Some players (Botham & Alec Stewart, for example) will appear in two categories. So, if you want Botham as an all-rounder batting at six, please select him as a middle order batsman. If you want him as an all rounder batting somewhere from 7-11, please select him as one of your four bowlers. This is not entirely fair I guess, but I can't think of another way without forcing the selection of an all-rounder. You may wish to vote for players other than the ones I list. That's fine. We'll start with the openers, please select two of the following: Geoff Boycott Graham Gooch Mike Atherton Andrew Strauss Len Hutton Alastair Cook Marcus Trescothick Jack Hobbs Herb Sutcliffe Alec Stewart Michael Vaughan Dennis Amiss Arthur Shewsbury WG Grace Archie MacLaren CB Fry Cyril Washbrook John Edrich (England have produced a lot of ***ing good openers!) Last edited by Monk; 31-10-2012 at 08:40 PM. Reason: added Sean's recommendations.*

31-10-2012, 05:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,502	Jack Hobbs and Len Hutton. Two of the top three English batsmen of All Time and the pair chosen by Cricinfo for the World All Time XI. Lets not over think this one by trying to be too cute guys. __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes

31-10-2012, 06:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,673	Hobbs and Hutton. __________________ 1945-1977 ATG Draft: Desmond Haynes - Roy Fredericks - Rohan Kanhai - Neil Harvey - Clive Lloyd - Asif Iqbal - John Waite - Ray Lindwall - Garth McKenzie - John Snow - Derek Underwood ATG XI: Jack Hobbs - Len Hutton - Don Bradman - Brian Lara - Graham Pollock - Gary Sobers - Alan Knott - Malcolm Marshall - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee- Sydney Barnes

31-10-2012, 07:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Hobbs and Sutcliffe naturally __________________ Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

31-10-2012, 07:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,629	Hobbs and Sutcliffe. Herb is, like maybe only Kenny Barrington, that rarest of things: an underrated English ATG. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

31-10-2012, 05:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,100	Tempted to be cute. But ** it. Hobbs and Hutton**

31-10-2012, 06:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	Hobbs and Hutton for me, but seriously tempted to take Boycott over Hutton.

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,721	Perm any two from Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hutton - if forced to choose I'd omit Sutcliffe, but only just

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Apo School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 194	Should be filled with players when only England was playing cricket.

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