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  1. 03-11-2012, 06:00 AM #76
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    Trueman + Larwood
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    Trueman and Tyson( one o the astest i not the astest pommie bowlers I have ever witnessed)
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    Even if one goes with the premise that Barnes was a fast bolwer, he averaged 21.5 with a s/r of 54 vs Australia and 9.85 and 25 vs South Africa. Was his numbers againts Australia that much better that other bolwers of the era?
    Similarily Frank Tyson averaged 25 with a s/r of 53 vs Australia but againts New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa averaged 10.94, 11.4, 16.27 respectively.

    My final vote goes to Fred Trueman and Bob Willis. Tyson just missed out, though his pace would be rather unsettling. Really Trueman and either of Tyson or Willis I would be happy with.
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    Larwood and Barnes
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Even if one goes with the premise that Barnes was a fast bolwer, he averaged 21.5 with a s/r of 54 vs Australia and 9.85 and 25 vs South Africa. Was his numbers againts Australia that much better that other bolwers of the era?
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Barnes was quick when he wanted to be, but no where near as quick as Larwood, Trueman, Snow or Tyson who would all properly appreciate a shiny new ball.

    Also, by operating with the new ball his prime wicket taking delivery - the leg-spinner - has been somewhat nullified. I don't think that it is possible for a finger spinner to impart maximum revs on a new ball.
    Fully agree, was he supposedly that much faster than Underwood, Verity or O'Reilly? Any of the bolwers you mentioned would make better use of the new ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Fully agree, was he supposedly that much faster than Underwood, Verity or O'Reilly? Any of the bolwers you mentioned would make better use of the new ball.
    I always consider Barnes as a bowler who sent them down at 120-ish and O'Reilly at 105 or so, for comparison.
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    Don't think one can really rip a big leggie at 120ish?
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    SF Barnes and Fred Trueman get my votes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I always consider Barnes as a bowler who sent them down at 120-ish and O'Reilly at 105 or so, for comparison.
    So why would you want Barnes as one of your opening bowlers if he is going to bowl as quick as Arjuna Ranatunga?
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    Fred Trueman & Sydney Barnes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I always consider Barnes as a bowler who sent them down at 120-ish and O'Reilly at 105 or so, for comparison.
    Bradman was under the impression that Barnes and O'Reilly were very similar bowlers. Granted he never saw Barnes in action, but it is very likely that he would have spoken to plenty of people who did.

    Therefore, opening the bowling with Barnes would be like opening the bowling with O'Reilly, minus the googly, which Barnes never bowled. It's do-able of course, but I think that Trueman and Snow/Larwood would be more effective.

    Barnes would be more likely to pick up wickets as a first change bowler once he could grip the ball better IMO.
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    At the end of the day, Sydney Barnes was an opening bowler. That's where he bowled. And in that position, he was more successful than any of the other options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    At the end of the day, Sydney Barnes was an opening bowler. That's where he bowled. And in that position, he was more successful than any of the other options.
    So were all the other options though.
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