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Even if one goes with the premise that Barnes was a fast bolwer, he averaged 21.5 with a s/r of 54 vs Australia and 9.85 and 25 vs South Africa. Was his numbers againts Australia that much better that other bolwers of the era?
Similarily Frank Tyson averaged 25 with a s/r of 53 vs Australia but againts New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa averaged 10.94, 11.4, 16.27 respectively.
My final vote goes to Fred Trueman and Bob Willis. Tyson just missed out, though his pace would be rather unsettling. Really Trueman and either of Tyson or Willis I would be happy with.
Last edited by kyear2; 03-11-2012 at 06:10 AM.
Aus. XI
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
W.I. XI
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
S.A. XI
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Eng. XI
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
Larwood and Barnes
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Most wickets v Oz in the 1900sOriginally Posted by kyear2
& the 1910s.
Maybe not as much in as I'd have guessed, actually.
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Fully agree, was he supposedly that much faster than Underwood, Verity or O'Reilly? Any of the bolwers you mentioned would make better use of the new ball.
I always consider Barnes as a bowler who sent them down at 120-ish and O'Reilly at 105 or so, for comparison.
Don't think one can really rip a big leggie at 120ish?
SF Barnes and Fred Trueman get my votes
So why would you want Barnes as one of your opening bowlers if he is going to bowl as quick as Arjuna Ranatunga?
Fred Trueman & Sydney Barnes.
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Bradman was under the impression that Barnes and O'Reilly were very similar bowlers. Granted he never saw Barnes in action, but it is very likely that he would have spoken to plenty of people who did.
Therefore, opening the bowling with Barnes would be like opening the bowling with O'Reilly, minus the googly, which Barnes never bowled. It's do-able of course, but I think that Trueman and Snow/Larwood would be more effective.
Barnes would be more likely to pick up wickets as a first change bowler once he could grip the ball better IMO.
Last edited by watson; 03-11-2012 at 07:40 AM.
Trueman & Barnes
CricZo XI - Draft League
Season 1 M Hayden, G Gooch, R Dravid, W Hammond, K Pietersen, G Sobers, R Marsh (wk), R Benaud (c), D Steyn, W Hall, N Adcock
Season 2 J Hobbs, B Richards, D Boon, H Taylor, C Lloyd (c), A Stewart (wk), T Goddard, A Davidson, H Tayfield, C Ambrose, H Griffith
Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee
At the end of the day, Sydney Barnes was an opening bowler. That's where he bowled. And in that position, he was more successful than any of the other options.
So were all the other options though.
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