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The new Bradman

ViruTheBest

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**** it, I'm biting.



Seems a little backwards - Indian players are so naturally talented that they need to work on the skills, whereas English guys are so naturally **** that they shouldn't bother to train?

Surely if India is blessed with such talent, they'd need less time in the nets to get the same effect as the Poms, and therefore have more time to devote to fitness. And similarly, if England was crippled by a lack of talent, they'd surely be training rather than working purely on fitness.

Your point is illogical and fallacious.

I never said that. I said they are much more naturaly gifted than their english counterparts so it would be better for them to hone their skills by long hours at the nets than go crazy with gym fitness. A limited team like England strives on its fielding to be competitive. I had a friend who said Collingwood had made fielding a specialist position :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

Kohli_fan

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So when he's failing or repeatedly injured so that he can't play (as in the last 2 years) I assume you agree that such things become much more relevant.
Injuries are part of the game, England work hard at their training and fitness yet Broad and Finn are injury concerns for them, Dwayne Bravo is an amazing athlete and he has been struggling with injuries.

The fact of the matter while you do need match fitness, if you have the talent of Viru with the fast hands and great ball striking ability then fitness is not really all that important at all.
 

ViruTheBest

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If we're being honest, Sehwag is probably better than Bradman.

Sehwag has had to play on much bigger outfields than Bradman, and although Bradman played the first half of his career under the 'one hand/one bounce' rule, Sehwag also had to deal with a much more bowler friendly LBW law.
And no one can overlook the lack of video analysis and tactics back in the day. These days you can get a computer to work out exactly what someone's percentage shots are and number of dismissals to certain balls. You can actually work out exactly where to bowl to increase likelyhood of dismissal as Nasser Hussain once showed on sky.
 

ViruTheBest

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Injuries are part of the game, England work hard at their training and fitness yet Broad and Finn are injury concerns for them, Dwayne Bravo is an amazing athlete and he has been struggling with injuries.

The fact of the matter while you do need match fitness, if you have the talent of Viru with the fast hands and great ball striking ability then fitness is not really all that important at all.
Also Watson is a gym freak and is chronically injured. A lot of it down to genetics. Some players just don't get niggles.
 

ViruTheBest

Banned
Tony Greig always says that “match fitness it what counts” I could not agree more in the case of Sehwag he is an immensely gifted cricketer with some of the best hand eye coordination the game has ever seen, if you can strike a ball like he can or be as safe in the slips like he is then who cares about how many push ups you can do? It becomes irrelevant once you have the ability to execute better than the rest.

Also we should not lose sight of exactly what Viru has achieved in Test Match Cricket, it is not as though he is some glorified slogger in the mould of say Luke Wright, Viru is one of only 4 men, Bradman included to make 2 Test triple hundreds and he was just a few runs away from making a 3rd.
Brilliant post.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
The fact of the matter while you do need match fitness, if you have the talent of Viru with the fast hands and great ball striking ability then fitness is not really all that important at all.
So it's just coincidence that when his fitness has taken a turn for the worse, so have his performances then?
 

Kohli_fan

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So it's just coincidence that when his fitness has taken a turn for the worse, so have his performances then?
The two are unrelated you do not make two 300's without being in decent shape in any case because both were made in very hot and testing conditions plus he is also having to run his partners singles.
 

Top_Cat

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Revolutionary concept; fitness changes over time. And, in Viru's case, his performances have changed with it.

 

Burgey

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FMD how can anyone really suggest fitness doesn't have an effect on your batting?

Sehwag has been expanding exponentially for a year or two, and his returns have been contracting at the same rate.
 

Jono

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FMD how can anyone really suggest fitness doesn't have an effect on your batting?

Sehwag has been expanding exponentially for a year or two, and his returns have been contracting at the same rate.
Speaking from experience here :ph34r:
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Actually tbf Sehwag's hardly overweight by cricketing standards . I think it's more a 'I can't be bothered to throw myself around' when in the field to use an example, rather than he physically can't.

Fitness for batting is just a seriously underrated componnent imo.
 
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uvelocity

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It's a known fact that decision making is impaired when one's body is under physical stress. The better a player's body copes with running, heat, exhaustion and physical stress (ie the fitter a player) the better chance of better decision making too.
 

benchmark00

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It's a known fact that decision making is impaired when one's body is under physical stress. The better a player's body copes with running, heat, exhaustion and physical stress (ie the fitter a player) the better chance of better decision making too.
Look at ole Colonel No **** over here.
 

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