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*Official* New Zealand in Sri Lanka 2012

Meridio

International Regular
Rain saving SL from a pasting. Watling was just about to unleash :ph34r:

And I know it's been mentioned, but our batting order is stupid. Why do we insist on McCullum batting at 3? Should be:

McCullum
Nicol
Williamson
Taylor
Watling/Franklin
Franklin/Watling

It's really not that difficult to put them in that order, but we just can't seem to do it.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
We are weak. Eighth in all forms of the game confirms that.

We have plodders and sloggers, exactly. So with that mix, isn't plodding at the start mixed with slogging at the end the best fit? I'd suggest it is, given we made 250. I don't see the point of calculated gambles when we didn't take any and made that score, which could well have been a winning one. I don't think our total represented 'surrendering meekly'.

But hey don't worry, with the benefit of experience we'll get better.
NZ made 250 and lost comfortably, so I don't see the point there. It wasn't as though NZ completely ****ed it up with the ball or Sri Lanka batted outstandingly well.

NZ have a slogger opening the batting, scoring slowly. Meanwhile one of their better 'proper batsman' floats around at 6-7 or whatever. But NZ need to be more dynamic than just batting in a routine fashion, they need a bit of creativity to try and muster extra runs somewhere.
 

Meridio

International Regular
omg, we've got a game back on.

And we immediately lose a wicket. Great going, guys. Oh, and they've sent Jacob ****ing Oram in. It's like we're actually trying to lose.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
omg, we've got a game back on.

And we immediately lose a wicket. Great going, guys. Oh, and they've sent Jacob ****ing Oram in. It's like we're actually trying to lose.
That is pretty hilarious. All the Kiwis on here have been saying he's shot as far as batting is concerned - but he keeps getting a go.

New Zealand pick Williamson in the T20 - so the way he's been treated in ODIs with more overs to go and tighter fielding restrictions (making it easier to hit orthodox cricketing boundaries) makes no sense.
 

Meridio

International Regular
Since I'm utterly bored out of my mind here at work (*checks over shoulder to see if anyone's watching*), I've had a quick look into just how terrible Oram has been in the last few years. A quick summary:

Code:
                 M I NO Runs  HS Ave   SR 
season 2008/09  11 7 1 168   75* 28.00 86.59
season 2009      2 2 0 28    24  14.00 58.33  
season 2009/10   7 5 1 139   83  34.75 120.86  
season 2010      2 1 0 14    14  14.00 140.00   
season 2010/11  10 6 1 86    25  17.20 111.68   
season 2011/12   4 3 1 88    59  44.00 166.03  
season 2012      4 4 0 55    32  13.75 69.62   
season 2012/13   1 1 0 2      2   2.00 50.00
For a total of 443 runs @ 19.3.

So, he's had one okay season, in 09/10, and in 11/12 he averaged 44 but only batted three times, for scores of 4*, 59 and 25, all against Zimbabwe. How on Earth does he keep getting put up the order?

Actually, now I think about it, his ODI batting has always been terrible, bar a year or two about five years ago. Going year by year since his debut gives this:

Code:
           M I NO  Runs HS   Ave  SR 
year 2001  17 16 1 229 59   15.26 81.49   
year 2002  10 10 2 138 46*  17.25 71.50   
year 2003  22 14 1 239 81   18.38 68.48  
year 2004  21 13 2 221 54   20.09 82.46  
year 2005  12  9 0 207 42   23.00 71.62   
year 2006   5  4 0  87 43   21.75 69.60   
[B]year 2007  23 16 5 549 101* 49.90 98.21   
year 2008  13  8 1 319 88   45.57 98.76[/B]  
year 2009  12  9 1 105 33*  13.12 70.46   
year 2010   6  3 0 109 83   36.33 178.68   
year 2011  12  7 2  90 25   18.00 115.38   
year 2012   7  7 0 141 59   20.14 104.44
He's more or less always averaged 20ish, barring those two years highlighted. Makes for terrible reading, but I suppose he'll keep getting picked as a batsman because he's left handed or something.
 
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Meridio

International Regular
Well, I'm not a fan of Watling opening the batting, but that's a superb innings. Deserved a hundred.

Am picking the rain to intervene if it looks like NZ's going to win.
 

BeeGee

International Captain
NZ doing well, so far.

So, is Watling's success with the bat on this tour the final nail in the coffin of McCullum's wicket keeping career?

If they're not going to bat Williamson in the top 5 then there's no point in playing him.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
NZ made 250 and lost comfortably, so I don't see the point there. It wasn't as though NZ completely ****ed it up with the ball or Sri Lanka batted outstandingly well.

NZ have a slogger opening the batting, scoring slowly. Meanwhile one of their better 'proper batsman' floats around at 6-7 or whatever. But NZ need to be more dynamic than just batting in a routine fashion, they need a bit of creativity to try and muster extra runs somewhere.
It rained and Duckworth Lewis completely changed the complexity of the game. I'm sure you can fathom that.

BJ needs to be in all three forms, serious player. Actually I mean two forms, he's not a T20 option
 
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Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Ugh, NZ bats nearly half their overs thinking it's a 50 over match, and only get 9 extra runs through dwl? And isn't the whole dwl method pretty much worthless now that they've radically revised the fielding rules anyway?

Anyway, sounds like a weak bowling effort from our lot and superb batting from Dilshan.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
who is our video analyst and why were we bowling outside off so often on the highlights to dilshan when he loves it there.

can't believe watling got 96.
 

Howsie

International Captain
New Zealand have a 18% winning percentage against proper countries with Nathan McCullum in the team. Is there a more useless cricketer going around playing in a top eight team?
 

BackFootPunch

International 12th Man
New Zealand have a 18% winning percentage against proper countries with Nathan McCullum in the team. Is there a more useless cricketer going around playing in a top eight team?
Yes. We have one in our own team, his name is Jacob Oram.

But seriously, blaming losses on the continued selection of a single player is just stupid. Especially seeing as McCullum is not picked or expected to perform as a player who wins games single-handedly.
 

Mike5181

International Captain
He's more or less always averaged 20ish, barring those two years highlighted. Makes for terrible reading, but I suppose he'll keep getting picked as a batsman because he's left handed or something.
He's not being picked as a batsman. He's the 13th ranked ODI bowler in the world and has taken 31 wicket @ 23 in the last couple of years. Fair enough, he's at the end of his career, has declined a bit, and isn't far away from retiring, but have you looked at the statistics of the other bowlers in the team?
 

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