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    That was a textbook Guptill dismissal. Almost self-parody tbh.
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    If Guptill can't score runs on this road then he's not going to fare any better in SA.

    Would honestly open with a middle order batsman or Vettori ahead of him, but I've accepted it won't be happening and there aren't any openers scoring big domestically (damn our bowling depth) so I guess on the bright side we're going to have a gun slip in SA.

    I will say though he has the best attitude of any opener we've played in a while. Remember Matt Bell denying his lack of technique was the issue back in the day?
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    1. Didn't need to play it.

    2. Too close to the body to play that shot.

    3. Even if he decides to play it, he needs to wait for the ball longer rather than just throw his bat at it. This is the big technical issue that's the reason behind all his dismissals recently.

    After this tour he should stay behind, hire some random Sri Lankan or Indian batting guru, and spend a good 2 weeks working on this.

    Alternatively, come home and ask Crowe or Wright or even Richardson to give a hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    If Guptill can't score runs on this road then he's not going to fare any better in SA.

    Would honestly open with a middle order batsman or Vettori ahead of him,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    If Guptill can't score runs on this road then he's not going to fare any better in SA.

    Would honestly open with a middle order batsman or Vettori ahead of him, but I've accepted it won't be happening and there aren't any openers scoring big domestically (damn our bowling depth) so I guess on the bright side we're going to have a gun slip in SA.
    Wouldn't be that surprised if he was replaced by Watling. It would be so ridiculously harsh on Watling to turn around and tell him he's a specialist opener again but I don't think the selectors realise how much they're ****ing him around.

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    Just give the bloody bag to an umpire.

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    I wonder at what point will they have to go out and buy some balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    If Guptill can't score runs on this road then he's not going to fare any better in SA.

    Would honestly open with a middle order batsman or Vettori ahead of him, but I've accepted it won't be happening and there aren't any openers scoring big domestically (damn our bowling depth) so I guess on the bright side we're going to have a gun slip in SA.
    I personally don't want to move him again, but we did have an opportunity to keep Flynn in the opening position when we picked him to play there against South Africa. Then Ryder and Brownlie could fill 5-6. It's never ideal to have a middle order batsman as an opener though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Thats because you're an idiot.
    You rate Guptill far too highly. He's a straight drive specialist, and that's it. Great attitude to the game and he will improve but he's no where near good enough right now, and our reserve middle order batsmen are better than him.

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    I don't know how much work Guptill did with Wright but he could really benefit from making a few changes. The eye is there and the will to succeed is there and he's one of the best slips I've seen play for NZ, but as a batsman he is too flawed.

    edit: its easy to rag on the guy from my chair but this has gone on for 30 tests now. It's no longer a matter of a few good balls or waiting for his talent to shine through. He simply isn't good enough right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    If Guptill can't score runs on this road then he's not going to fare any better in SA.

    Would honestly open with a middle order batsman or Vettori ahead of him, but I've accepted it won't be happening and there aren't any openers scoring big domestically (damn our bowling depth) so I guess on the bright side we're going to have a gun slip in SA.
    Long time Flem I actually think typical South African conditions might just suit Guptill's style a little more There is more bounce, but it's generally consistent bounce so he should be able to hit through the line with relative confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    You rate Guptill far too highly. He's a straight drive specialist, and that's it. Great attitude to the game and he will improve but he's no where near good enough right now, and our reserve middle order batsmen are better than him.
    Vettori opening with the sort of form he's shown in the last year or two is utterly preposterous. Screwing around Flynn and Watling by making them open is a great way to ruin the development of those players.

    Guptill is the best opening option we have right now. Just start hoping that either some other opener really stands up in the Plunket Shield or that he gets better, a quick fix isn't the way to address this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    You rate Guptill far too highly. He's a straight drive specialist, and that's it. Great attitude to the game and he will improve but he's no where near good enough right now, and our reserve middle order batsmen are better than him.
    You started this series with Franklin at six and when he was exposed you didn't bother picking a number six batsman at all, so lets not pretend the middle order depth is amazing. We don't know if Ryder will be available for South Africa and Vettori has been batting like a clown for the past 18 months so if there are middle order batsmen you're keen to get into the side (Watling, Brownlie, Cachopa, whoever), there will be places there for them without dropping Guptill or moving Flynn.

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    Guptill is awesome - just think of those 11 runs he scored as a free byproduct of selecting a specialist slip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You started this series with Franklin at six and when he was exposed you didn't bother picking a number six batsman at all, so lets not pretend the middle order depth is amazing. We don't know if Ryder will be available for South Africa and Vettori has been batting like a clown for the past 18 months so if there are middle order batsmen you're keen to get into the side (Watling, Brownlie, Cachopa, whoever), there will be places there for them without dropping Guptill or moving Flynn.
    That's because they're outside the squad and the other reserve was Nicol, which in a roundabout way proves both our points because everyone agrees the reserve openers are a no no.

    I wouldn't open with Flynn ftr. Lock him in at five or six.



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