Was there a post mortem/enquiry following England's whitewash to Pak?

[Viscount Tom]

As I said earlier, if you win the biggest prize in any sport it is only natural that the events that follow in the near future will have the feeling of “after the lord mayors show” the great West Indies team of the 1970’s and 1980’s won the World Cup in 1975 and 1979, yet in 1975 after winning the tournament, they got tonked 5-1 in a test series in Australia.
At the end of the day, people today remember and talk about the West Indies winning the World Cup in 75 and 79 not a bilateral series that they lost having just won the biggest tournament in Cricket.

The world cup's not the biggest thing in cricket though.

The Australia side was a better team that's why they got tonked it had nothing to do wit ha lack of effort by the Windies which is the opposite with India last year where quite simply aside from one or two players they didn't make the effort.

 

[ViruTheBest]

So when India become number 1 in the world and then get hammered, it doesn't matter because they'd reached the pinnacle of the game? But when England become number 1 in the world and then get hammered, it should require a post mortem enquiry?

Riiiigggghhhht....

It should because any person who works for the ECB through to the players, has said that test cricket is the format they take most seriously and treasure. As such, surrendering the no1 ranking so meekly is a big deal, although it was mainly based on bashing at home.

In India's case, we reached no1, were consistent beforehand and for nearly 2 years after being no1, this despite our emphasis on ODI cricket and the world cup which is regarded as the biggest event by the BCCI. So when we lost the ranking, rightly/wrongly the BCCI didn't investigate much because they knew the problem was burn out and motivation.

There is no other way to explain how sucha great batting line up which has performed everywhere failed so badly. There was some disagreement within the camp too. The BCCI has internally solved the problem.

ECB has chosen to ignore theirs and they keep churning out the outdated message to play in an orthodox fashion.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

No. They were busy downplaying the losses so that they could talk up the next IPL.

I like how you are playing along and have a good sense of humour. Unfortunately that statement is probably very true.

 

[Kohli_fan]

I like how you are playing along and have a good sense of humour. Unfortunately that statement is probably very true.

and rightly so! The IPL is one of the premier tournaments in our sport players around the world dream of securing an IPL contract. England's star player Kevin Pietersen has said he primarily wants to play Test Cricket to increase his brand and his value for the IPL he has also said that he prefers the atmosphere playing for the Delhi Daredevils to when he is playing for England.

The BCCI have every right to be proud of a tournament that is so prestigious and that so many crave to be a part of but in reality only an elite few are chosen for!

KP himself has gone on record as saying he wished more English players were picked for IPL as he feels it would have helped them immensely.

 

[Cabinet96]

England's star player Kevin Pietersen has said he primarily wants to play Test Cricket to increase his brand and his value for the IPL he has also said that he prefers the atmosphere playing for the Delhi Daredevils to when he is playing for England.

First of all, it's hardly cut in stone that he is England's best players. Secondly, he didn't say he preferred the atmosphere playing for Delhi, he said the South African crowds were less hostile to him when he was playing for Delhi

 

[Kohli_fan]

First of all, it's hardly cut in stone that he is England's best players. Secondly, he didn't say he preferred the atmosphere playing for Delhi, he said the South African crowds were less hostile to him when he was playing for Delhi

He is easily your best player to be fair the one guy who can win a match anywhere in the world on his own back! The rest of your batters Cook etc can save games but KP is your match winner

The exact quote from KP was "The atmosphere is better playing for Delhi Daredevils than for England."

The journalist says the same as you but that is purely down to interpretation, we can only really go on the quote and KP has indeed he prefer the atmosphere when playing for the Daredevils.

Kevin Pietersen Quotes | Cricket Quotes | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[grecian]

He is easily your best player to be fair the one guy who can win a match anywhere in the world on his own back! The rest of your batters Cook etc can save games but KP is your match winner

The exact quote from KP was "The atmosphere is better playing for Delhi Daredevils than for England."

The journalist says the same as you but that is purely down to interpretation, we can only really go on the quote and KP has indeed he prefer the atmosphere when playing for the Daredevils.

Kevin Pietersen Quotes | Cricket Quotes | ESPN Cricinfo

Yeah, because only batsmen can win matches clearly.

 

[Cabinet96]

He is easily your best player to be fair the one guy who can win a match anywhere in the world on his own back!

2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham, Jul 29-Aug 1, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

The exact quote from KP was "The atmosphere is better playing for Delhi Daredevils than for England."

The journalist says the same as you but that is purely down to interpretation, we can only really go on the quote and KP has indeed he prefer the atmosphere when playing for the Daredevils.

Kevin Pietersen Quotes | Cricket Quotes | ESPN Cricinfo

No. The journalist knows the question that was asked to KP, and the things he said before and after that. He, unlike you, is using the context to summarise what KP meant.

And weren't you told by a Mod to not post quotes out of context?

 

[Kohli_fan]

2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham, Jul 29-Aug 1, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo



No. The journalist knows the question that was asked to KP, and the things he said before and after that. He, unlike you, is using the context to summarise what KP meant.

And weren't you told by a Mod to not post quotes out of context?

"I prefer the atmosphere playing for Delhi than England" which part of that quote suggests he does not prefer the atmosphere of playing for Delhi?


The mod made some constructive points earlier, look I do not really agree with him, to be quite frank the Haydos quote was not really out of context. the fact of the matter is even if he was responding to what Anderson said about off field issues, calling some a "B Grade bowler" is clearly talking about Anderson's bowling ability rather than some silly alleged spat in the locker room.

 

[Cabinet96]

He didn't say he preferred the atmosphere. He was asked whether the crowds were less hostile, and he said it was better (I.e they were less hostile) playing for Delhi.

 

[Prince EWS]

Not sure I'd have Pietersen in my top five current England players. He probably would sneak in there actually - at fifth.