***Official*** West Indies in Bangladesh 2012

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

If the Windies lose this (still not likely, they do have a healthy lead) then it'd be a stretch to blame it on the first innings.

If it's the kind of game where you've sauntered your way to 500+ on the second day then you have to think about giving your bowlers as much time as possible to get the oppo out, and at the very least you'll be putting some faith in your batsmen to hold up second time around. Making your decisions based around the rest of the match being an absolute catastrophe won't win you many games.

Not only did the declaration significantly increase West Indies' chances of losing (lets face it by their standards this 240odd is a good score already - they usually manage one sub-200 score a match) but it hurt their chances of winning too.

West Indies have an awful batting line-up and tons of bowling. None of your arguments hold water. Why give a team like Bangladesh hope? Grind them into the dust. Bangladesh don't have the mentality to bat for a draw

West Indies should have looked at scoring 750-800 runs in the match. As it happens they may even lose with that 800 - that would be somewhat freakish. The quickest way to score that many runs is to increase the aggression past 500. You lose far less time that way than declaring at 527 and having to bat to 250 or so - which you might not even get but you certainly can't bat with any great freedom. If you bat with freedom past 500 then you get runs quickly. If you make it to 600-650 then you're almost certain to be safe, you maximise time left in the match and you set a much tougher follow-on target. If WI wanted or had to bat again then they spend less time consolidating or batting with low aggression.

To put it another way you can get those 100 runs batting with total freedom against a knackered attack on a less worn pitch in the first innings, or you can get them in the 3rd innings when you're worried about losing wickets, which will then have a knock-on effect to the rest of the innings.

Ignoring the fact that teams will get bowled out trying to score say 250 instead of 150 - I reckon it would take you another 40 overs to score 250 instead of 150 simply because the first 100 out of 250 will typically be batted normally at around 3 an over - and then you'll lose 2-3 wickets typically as well - which effects the rest of the 150 runs you get. So 30 or so extra overs initially and a few more because of the 2-3 extra wickets and so greater consolidation potential and/or less able batsmen at the crease.

[Apo]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Not only did the declaration significantly increase West Indies' chances of losing (lets face it by their standards this 240odd is a good score already - they usually manage one sub-200 score a match) but it hurt their chances of winning too.

West Indies have an awful batting line-up and tons of bowling. None of your arguments hold water. Why give a team like Bangladesh hope? Grind them into the dust. Bangladesh don't have the mentality to bat for a draw

West Indies should have looked at scoring 750-800 runs in the match. As it happens they may even lose with that 800 - that would be somewhat freakish. The quickest way to score that many runs is to increase the aggression past 500. You lose far less time that way than declaring at 527 and having to bat to 250 or so - which you might not even get but you certainly can't bat with any great freedom. If you bat with freedom past 500 then you get runs quickly. If you make it to 600-650 then you're almost certain to be safe, you maximise time left in the match and you set a much tougher follow-on target. If WI wanted or had to bat again then they spend less time consolidating or batting with low aggression.

To put it another way you can get those 100 runs batting with total freedom against a knackered attack on a less worn pitch in the first innings, or you can get them in the 3rd innings when you're worried about losing wickets, which will then have a knock-on effect to the rest of the innings.

Ignoring the fact that teams will get bowled out trying to score say 250 instead of 150 - I reckon it would take you another 40 overs to score 250 instead of 150 simply because the first 100 out of 250 will typically be batted normally at around 3 an over - and then you'll lose 2-3 wickets typically as well - which effects the rest of the 150 runs you get. So 30 or so extra overs initially and a few more because of the 2-3 extra wickets and so greater consolidation potential and/or less able batsmen at the crease.

750-800? lol am I reading it right? Windies were probably reckless going in with 5 specialist batsmen and declaring at 500 but this is stretching it a bit.

[AndyZaltzHair]

Sammy gone, still no sign of Chanders

[AndyZaltzHair]

Gazi you beauty, picks up a five-for

[AndyZaltzHair]

Target is 245

[Spikey]

can't believe tino didn't save them

[NUFAN]

Yeah awesome work Gazi - 245 in 75 overs sets up an awesome finish!

[Challis]

What an exciting game on prospect, Gazi cleaning up the WI tail, leaving Bangladesh to chase 245 for the win, if Tamim plays with his head, and the rest of the batsmen don't gift their wickets then this could be on

[Spark]

Weird post from Scaly given that WI actually did score 800 runs in the match

[Daemon]

Nearly every single time the Bangers are chasing any sort of total, the one thing I keep hearing from everyone is that they'll win if Tamim gets going.

Never happens. Hope it doesn't today as well because I'll be $40 poorer.

[flibbertyjibber]

Come on Bangladesh. Be a great win if they pull it off. A repeat of 100 off the first 14 overs would do again.

[AndyZaltzHair]

pitch is keeping low a bit, ball is not carrying to Ramdin properly

[AndyZaltzHair]

choke is on

[Athlai]

Would love runs from Siddique/Nafees. I back the both of them and would really like to see them back up the runs of their teammates.

[AndyZaltzHair]

need to plug the point region, plenty of easy singles there